Erik Haugen @ech@qoto.org

@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts if they show he clearly knew and allowed the policy to continue (i.e. before the point where he "circled the wagons" that I mentioned in my other post) I'd love to see it.

I'm sort of under the impression that most of the evidence that Trump is a racist is kinda reaching: "he said something bad about someone" or "someone said he said something but he denies it, no witnesses" or "a guy working for him did something racist". You know, garbage. Similarly for Biden, he pushed for draconian drug policies for example, which had an (obvious to you and me) terrible outcome, but of course a lot of people pushed for those with the best of intentions.

So if I'm wrong I'd love to hear it...

@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts "Thats not what I said..." I meant to ask for whatever this refers to: "he clearly knew as it came up in the civil rights documents from the urban league."

@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts ah; "This **implies** he knew it" I disagree. I mean maybe, we'll probably never know. (No conspiracy; I personally never tell Sundar Pichai what I do, for example, and I can honestly tell you I am not a part of any conspiracy to keep him in the dark. Seriously: why all the conspiracy talk? It's weird.)

"publicly leaked before the lawsuite as people were pretty pissed at Trump" – I believe you but don't see the relevance to deciding e.g. whether we think Trump is the sort of person who would have initiated or approved this policy, for example. I suspect he had no idea, and when word of the lawsuit came up and/or leaked details about codes he circled the wagons (rather than apologize/etc as would have been ideal) and was more than happy to reach the settlement. Or, maybe it was his idea because he wanted only whites in his properties. Who knows.

@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts ooh, interesting – can you point me to that documentation that shows he clearly knew? thanks!

@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts "upper management"? Do we think Trump knew about the codes before the lawsuit? (I'd be *extremely* surprised to find out he did, I suspect he had almost nothing to do with the day-to-day.)

@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts Or, I don't know – I thought that is what this lawsuit had been about. Did Trump do something obviously bad, or was he just captain of the ship when something happened? You see my point?

@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts No conspiracy; just salesmen/etc being jerks, unwittingly or not.

@freemo @mk @davidhmccoy @lowqualityfacts So... he owned a company with real estate agents who had unconscious bias or were flagrant racists... and didn't do enough about it?

I think you're using the word "racist" loosely, wrt. both presidents. But the word is losing all meaning, so go ahead I guess.

@mk @freemo @DK_Dharmaraj @deprecated I don't get the Jew reference. Is it because you think only Jews understand basic statistics?

@Teri_Kanefield Trump didn't even want his DOJ.

@Teri_Kanefield Great insights here about conspiracy-susceptibility. I think there's a personality type that likes to believe that everything is part of a master plan; it's that sense of feeling like there's meaning. (Or "control" as you put it.)

https://www.ft.com/content/6fb1602d-a08b-4a8c-bac0-047b7d64aba5

What a confused article.

He has this great insight about amazon/facebook-style product lifecycles, but then lumps layoffs in with that incoherently as if it was one in the same.

He identifies the problem with regulation and regulatory capture, but then with no hint of self-awareness talks as if more regulation is of course the solution. weird.

@freemo @wild1145@universeodon.com @wild1145@mastodonapp.uk I wonder if people unwittingly join instances like that or mstdn.social, get bored by the weird performative echo chamber, then write off Mastodon and go back to Twitter or whatever.

@Robert_R_Freitag_II@mastodon.social @randahl Yeah, they're different objectives. IDF has to radically degrade Hamas' ability to do things like 10/7, of course. In some sense the US doesn't really need to take on the analog of that at this point, and killing these 3 terrorists of course doesn't do anything remotely like that.

There's no good way for IDF to do what it needs to do without a lot of collateral damage; this is a tragic situation but unfortunately it's the one they're in.

@danirabbit and stop writing breathless news stories about their every move.

@QasimRashid What's unhinged about that? Surely you would not want another civil war? You surely aren't that barbaric? Right of self-determination is kind of important.

(ofc such a referendum would fail miserably, as it would in literally every state.)

@freemo Yeah, I think that's what I mean.

Heh, it certainly isn't antiracist given Kendi's definition of that term...

It's worth keeping in mind that Mr. Racist represents about, say, 3% of the US (and The West in general). Mr. Woke is probably more like 10x that. Point being it almost isn't worth even talking to or about the people behind Mr. Racist: we all know they're the lunatic fringe: their harmful policy preferences don't matter, because they have no power (good to stay vigilent, though...). But the people represented by Mr. Woke have actual power; what if their illiberal policy preferences are harmful? That is an actual risk.

@trabex @antonyjohnston Yup; seems like a tough business.

Heh one man's "exploiting passion for profit" is another's "derive gains from trade".