@elliot @ProstasiaInc yep, they still see children as a seperate class of human and pedos as another class of humans, a potentially dangerous one at that, the whole framework stinks
@puppyperv The word "some" is admittedly doing a lot of work in the section you quoted. As my work elsewhere reflects, I recognize that most MAPs are not at risk of offending, whether or not they receive support. That's why advocate against the prevention framing of support programs in my article - telling MAPs that they're a risk when they're not is harmful
@puppyperv Assuming you meant "some" instead of "most."
I agree that rape isn't inherent to MAPness, but the fact that support for MAPs can lower risk for the few who are at risk is what connects the topic to child protection, so it's somewhat necessary to mention when I write about the topic for Prostasia.
I think it fits into your test of replacing it "MAP" with other groups. There are indeed *a few* gay people who commit rape, same with straight people, black people, cis people, and any other group you can name. It's not hateful to acknowledge this fact, and the entire field of queer criminology is centered around it (for your specific example of gay people).
I agree that rape is not an accident and that people who commit sexual violence should be held accountable, but we can do that while still taking steps to stop it from happening in the first place. That's what Prostasia's prevention approach is all about.
@puppyperv "most MAPs are not at risk"
@elliot yes and i countered that no maps are at risk, risk is a flawed concept, its not risk when it's premediated, it's not risk when its just love, its not risk when its explictly rape, its just rape
@puppyperv Risk precedes premeditation and rape. Again, the focus here is preventing abuse from happening, not addressing it after it happens. Risk is a useful context in prevention, not reaction.
@elliot also i dont think these people should be prevented or held accountable because jail and carcerality doesn't actually solve issues, it just kicks the can down the road
@puppyperv I mean I'm also a prison abolitionist so we agree in that aspect. I think accountability has a use, but more in the sense of rehabilitation and supporting survivors of abuse than as a punishment
(apologies for another delete and redraft)
@elliot see i read "most maps" and iim thinking "no absolutely no maps, rapists rape, thats a seperate thing from maps, the idea that we're at risk of offending is just pedaphobia, i dont accidentally rape someone just cause their prettya nd that gives rapists a pass saying maybe they just didnt mean to do it, when what defines if you are a rapist or not is that act you choose to commit, I want you to look at pedo discourse and replace the word pedo with homosexual or gay, does it still sound as reasonable? Are we telling gay people not to offend upon other gay people? Its silly, its hateful and its silly