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@ster @freemo @lerk@comm.network @iamduck You said people shouldn't be given the freedom to kill themselves. Which is the premise to make it illegale.
I said it as a joke, but it's a very slippery slope arguing that government should protect people from themselves, IMO.
I don't take any position on the gun issue, but freedom to kill myself? I want that anytime.
@ster @arteteco I agree that a gun is very different than a drug. But the comparison to drugs is specific to the argument regarding guns being used for suicide. so for that particular scope in the argument I'd say the comparison is valid. Both deal with things mot people agree is undesirable (suiide and drug use) but deal with a persons body autonomy to make such decisions.
I 100% support body autonomy which means while ill do everything i can to discourage people to kill themselves or do heroin, in the end i will recognize it as a right they have and should have all the same.
@iamduck @ster @arteteco That legalizing guns increases violence. Studies disagree on this points. Studies which look at all countries and compare show drastic INCREASE in violence. However studies which attempt to normalize the data by cherry picking countries via one criteria or another tend to result in either no change in violence at all or very marginal difference one way or the other.
But the argument that it significantly reduces violence doesnt seem to be accurate unless you go out of your way to cherry pick the studies just to support your view the science just isnt as clear as you suggest.
@ster @arteteco Correct, we are only talking about those very rare cases because despite being rare they are very important as to why guns serve a need (as opposed to just being recreational).
But you explicitly suggests that the purpose of a gun is solely (or mostly) to kill and that most uses of a gun is to kill. That is a flat out wrong assertion. So that needed to be pointed out.
@freemo
The comparison is unhelpful. Drugs can't easily be used to murder, where as guns can. Drug takers don't normally wish to die, where suicide victims do.
I initially mentioned drugs when you mentioned that you thought whatever happens to a person's body is always their choice. I didn't expect you to seriously believe those nasty substances should be availible at the local store!
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