Meanwhile in america...

Liberals are idealists. Doesn't matter if an idea works or kills millions. As long as it sounds poetic and righteous then they really dont care if it is effective.

Conservatives are quite the opposite. They care more about the end results than how good it sounds on paper. Their problem however is a complete inability to understand the data or interpret it objectively. No matter what the data actually says in their mind it always agrees with them.

@freemo several years ago when it was first revealed that a lot of expensive tennis shoes were made by children in sweatshop conditions, a prominent right wing newspaper columnist wrote that o6f they'd known of this when buying their most recent shoes of this sort, they would have bought two pairs.
They went on to explain a grand theory about how child labor was good actually because of economic growth and a grand theory of development and a lot of ideas about things getting better in the long term.
What's confusing about America is that there's no mainstream left. What you're describing are two forms of being very far right.
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@celesteh There absolutely is a mainstream left in america. The difference is they just lack the sort of rational debate you'd get out of a leftist in most areas.

Keep in mind i am using the neo-left vs right scale not the classical left definition. If we use classical left as the definition then I would tend to agree with you. Problem is classic-left in america is wrongfully viewed as just a varient of right.

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