The top half is America, the bottom half is the rest of the world

@freemo they voted for Trump.

@jasper Yea, they did, abut 50% of them. Which I'd say is reflected by the top half of the image almost perfectly. :)

@freemo shouldn't the red bar be smaller and more to the right, then. Like, you know, actually, the right actually is extremist.

Of course, when you ask republicans, a lot of them are much more left wing than their media & politicians imply. The 2=1 political system are in effect there to suit capitalists, which have a right wing bent.

Like, maybe, when people get angry they get even more defensive of their private property and stoke reactionaries.

@jasper Well i guess it depends on how you want to visualize it. The point of the top bar is that the right in America is extremist and crazy and the left in America is extremist and crazy and there is little in between.

Thats why both halves are bright blue and bright red rather than a shade in between. To show the majority are extremists on both sides.

But yes I agree both sides in America are almost entirely comprised of extremists, certainly a majority. Trump is a prime example of that.

@freemo no you don't agree, that is clear from what i wrote.

And i don't think the left is extreme. They infact should be more extreme because that is the correct position, and the republicans can't be compromised with anyway.

@jasper Wait I dont? What did I say to you to suggest I dont think trump is a representation of extremism. My whole post was based on that.

But yea apparently we do disagree about the left in america then. I dunno, last president they had started killing off US citizens without due process, did nothing to stop the CIA spying on its own citizens and continued to perpetuate wars around the glob. Trump may be just as bad, but pretty hard to deny the extremism from either side in America.

@freemo Trump put a full page ad calling for the death sentence for the "central park five" who were innocent, of course.

He flagrantly ignores the emoluation clause of the constitution.

He encouraged violence at protesters at his rallies.

He attacked a judge for being mexican.

He threatened witnesses relating to Muellers investigation.

His wife purposefully put on that shirt "i don't care", wore an identical dress as a nazi in an Indiana Jones movie in Egypt.

@freemo he put Jeff Sessions in the justice department, who failed to be nominated to the district court for being racist.

He pardonned that guy with a tent-camp prison, who bragged it was a concentration camp.

Despite being alledgedly anti-war, he got hawkish people in positions of war. Including a general at the defense ministry, where it is usually a civilian.

Again despite that, 50G$ more for military and pushing for NATO to 2% and then even 4%, despite US army ALONE being adequate.

@jasper Ok... So you've made three posts now where you continue to agree with me (that Trump is an extremist)... yet the one point you made that you disagreed on you've done nothing to address in any way.

Yes trump is an extremist, just like the left is in america, and the right in america. That was the point of the original post.

It is curious though that your spending all this time reiterating the points I agree on, obviously, rather than doing anything to address the point we disagree on. But I guess thats better than I'm used to seeing.

@freemo and then there is the hatemongering against immigrants. Obama might have been "deporter in chief", but it was nowhere this bad.

Nowhere near the same extent, this is a fender bender versus a train wreck. Obama did a lot wrong, but Trump is creating an atmosphere where him, or the next guy could do anything.

Seriously name one fucking thing that Obama did that is of this fucking nature.

Fucking capitalists sucking and controlling shit does not equal all presidents are the same.

@jasper Ohhh cursing now, keep it mature man.

I never claimed Obama was **as** bad as trump. He wasnt. While he was pretty horrific, and a clear example of extremism (as i pointed out examples of earlier), he isnt as bad as trump. But I'm sure whoever the democrats elect next will be.

Thats how it goes, every election the other side gets more radical and more extreme. Trump is more extremist than Obama, and the democrat ticket next go will be more extremist than Trump. Just how the cycle goes.

But I dunno, murdering a US citizen without a warrant, due process, or even the opportunity at a trial, and then repeating that.. thats pretty damn high on the list of atrocities, not something I'd call a fender bender. So he was an extremist despite what trump may be.

@freemo "I never claimed Obama was **as** bad as trump. He wasnt." ... no you just implied it.

How is "murdering citizens" a left wing point. It is just "extremism" in the same way interventionalism is extremist. In the *same* direction as Bush, not a reaction to it.

If he had reacted to it, he'd have *promptly* ended the wars, not done drone strikes. Not have Citigroup executive Michael Froman have the list of his cabinet.

He'd have reacted to the financial crisis by breaking up banks.

@jasper No any implication you read was your own assumptions overwhelming your rationality.

While I did claim the leftists in America (the populus) was as bad as the right, and they are. I said absolutely NOTHING about where Obama fell on the level of extremism compared to Trump until my last quote.

But here is what odd, instead of assuming what I said and then throw a fit when I tell you **explicitly** what I believe as if somehow I'm lying to you about what i believe when I tell you directly but then go and give you some mysterious hints about what I truly believe... how about when I tell you I think Obama isnt as much of an extremist as Trump you accept that reality.

Stop trying to start drama and tell people what they think and step back and have a **mature** conversation instead.