Just a reminder

#depression #MentalHealth

@freemo it is created

@louis What is?

@freemo sorry, no bad intentions. Depression as label is created. That people get into troubles is true. That is one subject, but that it is created as label is different subject, and that is for profit only, for psychiatry. Drugs do not help any depression, they may just let person become a walking zombie, but is that help?

@louis @freemo Swedes rely on psychiatry and medication much less than people in the USA.

Sounds awesome, right? What is the secret? Swedish society and physiology is not all that different from the USA after all. How do they manage it?

Maybe Swedish society is a bit less stressful? After all, there's parental leave and vacations on a whole other order of magnitude than in the USA, and there is heavily subsidized medical care and no crime-ridden megacities. Life is just better, and Swedes compete with the Danes on being the happiest people on the planet.

Swedes kill themselves 20% more than US Americans.

@louis @freemo

Swedes kill themselves 20% more than US Americans.

So, what do you make of the comparison, @clacke ? Everyone has dark thoughts and Swedes tend to internalize them? I'm pretty sure the stats would show that US Americans do a better job at killing each other.

@alysonsee @louis @freemo I stand behind my implied statement that Swedes kill themselves more because mental health carries more stigma than in the US, and fewer Swedes seek treatment, whether talk therapy, medication or both, even though both are far more affordable in Sweden.

@clacke

I dont know the facts here so i cant say for sure. But if you can show that there is more stigma (perhaps by showing a low prevalence of seeking help when you need it) then I'd say its a fairly rational argument. I dont doubt this is the case, just haven't confirmed it.

@alysonsee @louis

@freemo @alysonsee @louis Looks like the situation is correcting and young people are less wary of seeking help:

www.vice.com/sv/article/jm9g38…

@clacke

Ok so read the article.. Here is my take.

1) In this case I'd imagine that the article is likely somewhat accurate just because it sounds plausible.

2) the article on cites a single reliable source, and that link didn't work. so I cant confirm the data myself. Though again If i had to guess i wouldn't be surprised if the article is still true.

3) vice is certainly as discredited a source as the other one presented earlier. They are known to have a fairly extreme left leaning political agenda. Objectivity is not their goal, promoting a left-agenda is. I am not saying the left is bad or anything, only that this is no more an objective source than the other links.

So in short, I dont disagree with your general argument, though still lack the data to confirm. But the link itself is not a credible source to make your case regardless.

@alysonsee @louis