@static

Some jews do eat pigs, and they are still jews. Religion is different for everyone and in every region. While I respect that it may not be what you see as muslim, it is what SHE sees as muslim.

So for her it is real and that's what matters. People are free to interpret their religion how they feel is correct.

@imurcultleader@101010.pl

@freemo @imurcultleader Religion is not subjective when it recognizes its texts as being sources of being objective truth. "New Age" and "postmodern" is deviant blasphemous ideology. No true Jew eats a pig, the entire point of religion is making sacrifices of personal liberty / autonomy to close the distance with GOD.

a Christian who does not recognize the Bible for instance is not a true Christian, merely Christian-influenced.

You are NOT A MUSLIM if you DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE QURAN AS BEING OBJECTIVE TRUTH ISSUED FROM GOD. There is no way around this. You are not an authority on the matter. Thiis is part of the definition of "being Muslim" / "practicing Islam."

It is okay for an individual to be heretical, that is a matter beween them and allah, but one must accept that one is practicing a deviant form of faith.

@freemo @imurcultleader Faith is not proven when it is easy to practice faith. Yes, faith is proven when a difficult circumstance is faced with courage. The expression of faith is even accepting an unwinnable circumstance. There is no godliness without righteous struggle. Indeed this is the meaning of JIHAD: righteous struggle. Looking through Torah, Bible, Quran again and again the story is never about compromising your religion for an easy life, but facing challenge (inside and outside) due to ones relationship with God, and holding true even in the face of adversity.

What if Abraham said, "you know God would never ask me to sacrifice my son," perhaps the whole world would have been lost.

@static

Your philosophy on religious views is fine. But you do not get to tell others what faith is or is not, just as no one can tell you. That is for them to decide for themselves.

@imurcultleader@101010.pl

@freemo @imurcultleader False. religion is not a matter of what feels good to you, it is a matter of what the texts say and what the authority of the religious community has to say. You are espousing blasphemy. Now whether or not you are religious, that is your choice, but what it means to be religious is NOT your choice.

@static

I never said its a matter of "what feels good" I said it is a matter of how you **interprit** it.

The same exact phrase can be interpreted in more than one way. There is no way to know absolutely which interpretation is correct, even if there is some objective underpinning.

Who would you be to say your interpretation of the text is the correct one and hers is the wrong one.

You have no right to speak for allah/god anymore than someone else does. Your interpretation has no authority over her interpretation.

This all assumes she is a muslim in the first place. I dont know her, maybe she doesnt practice the faith at all. Again her right either way and your comments attacker here were simply out of line.

@imurcultleader@101010.pl

@freemo @imurcultleader Please go to your local mosque and ask them to discuss the meaning of Islam / what it is to be a Muslim, they will educate you if you are open to having your assumptions challenged and truly want to learn . Religion is by nature a social practice; instead of relying on the conclusions you reach as an individual non-practitioner, much better to consult a community of believers and practitioners of the faith. Have you ever been to a Mosque?

@static I have dont that already and discussed it with many people before. Many agree with my views some do not.

@static

There is a rather large community in the world of muslims who dont wear hijabs. So would seem that community you say is required is still present.

@imurcultleader@101010.pl

@freemo @imurcultleader Is it? Who? Where?

@static

Seems her for one. I know of a community of atleast 40 or 50 in america, probably about a dozen here in the netherlands, and probably 100 or so in the middle east and borders. At least based on the people i personally know.

@imurcultleader@101010.pl

@static

And yea ive been to a few mosques and have spent countless hours with many muslim friends discussing the faith. I think its a lovely faith when seen from the proper perspective.

@imurcultleader@101010.pl

@static @imurcultleader @freemo what religion is without doubt is the biggest cancer ever to spread. It should be removed now that we have the knowledge not doing so will only continue to ruin us.

@LoliKing

Not sure I agree. Humans are the cancer, some just happen to use religion to spread that cancer, other use more secular means. In the end religion is not the cause so much as the tool used in a bad way.

@static @imurcultleader@101010.pl

@static

Religious books are not people, they cant answer questions, they cant clarify confusions, they can not tell you what they meant when it is unclear or open to interpretation.

The truth is the same words on the page can be interpreted many different ways. Two people can both hold the same sacred book as sacred, see the same words ont he page, and determine the meaning of those words to be different. That is simply the nature of langauge.

By definition all a christian needs to be a christian is beleive in the teachings of Jesus. Strictly speaking they dont even need to recognize the same bible. In fact there are many different versions of the christian bible as well as different books.

Similarly all someone needs to be a musslim is to consider Muhammad as the prophet and to follow what they believe his teachings to be.

Again, you and no one else gets to be the authority of a sacred figures words or the sole interpriter of a religious text. She has every right to make that call for herself.

With that said, even if she was not a true muslim, so what? That is her choice and if she wants to be something other than a "true muslim" in your mind that is her choice.

What you should ask yourself is, how do you feel your comments would in any way help her, how are you acting with good intention with such a comment?

@imurcultleader@101010.pl

@static @imurcultleader @freemo also alah was a murder and a rapist a savage even by savage times.

@LoliKing

Who exactly did allah rape? What? Allah never raped or had sex with anyone in the Quran.

@static @imurcultleader@101010.pl

@LoliKing @imurcultleader @freemo Allah is not capable of Sin

@static

I'm pretty sure he doesnt know what the word Allah means, like literally (not spirtually).

I think he thinks Allah is some person in the Muslim religion, which of course he isnt. Thats the only way his wording would make sense...

My guess is he confused Allah with Muhammad and intended to talk about Muhammad instead.

@imurcultleader@101010.pl @LoliKing

@freemo @static @imurcultleader I think all religion helped set a cultural legal and moral foundation and since entering a modern world it has done nothing but be used an excuse for murder rape war and the destruction of more knowledge and progress then it may ever create. it should be shuned mocked and openly hated as it continues to throw us backwards. that is why I call alah a rapist and that is why alah jesus or whomever fake nonsense space fairy is the blackest of sinners.

@LoliKing

I dont fully agree. Yes there has been a lot of use of religion for murder in the world, no doubt, but there is also a massive number of people who do good and cite religion as the cause. It goes both ways.

A person looking to do evil will grasp at whatever they can as an excuse, religion is sometimes what they use, other times it isnt. If the religion wasnt there I have no doubt they would have carried out the same evil deeds but would have simply used other reasoning to form their excuses.

I dont think its creating evil people.

@static @imurcultleader@101010.pl

@freemo

@static @imurcultleader not creating it is an evil. Its contiued existence is the biggest short coming of our species and it should be progressed past as soon as possible. Believing in such magic spells and moral self restrictions only hinders people at best and forces conformity via brutal and barbaric means at worst

@LoliKing

I respect your opinion and feel you are welcome to it, but I still dont agree.

Dont get me wrong there is a lot of religious people who are held back with thinking often associated with religion. Usually the people who blindly follow dogma they were never critical of, that is an unhealthy line of thinking.

Thing is, I now people who are atheist, most of my friends in fact, and they seem to have all the same issues with dogma just with no religion to back it.

The issue is more the dogma and having blind faith in something than the religion itself. I do feel there is a way someone can be critical of their religion, form their own opinions, and use logic and reasoning to pull value from religion and beleive in things on their own terms in ways that are not unhealthy.

I also know many religious people who are some of the most brilliant scientists I know personally.

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