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I entirely agree with this message on #gunrights. HK is a prime example of the need for such rights in civil defense against tyranny.
@freemo
There are trade offs, imo. otoh, it's valid to think that common people having access to firearms would deter a violent government. oto, the Chinese government is already using lethal force; I can only imagine how much it would escalate if both sides had ready access to firearms.
@jump_spider The only reason it hasnt escalated is because the chinese already won because people know they will get shot if they stand up.. Im not sure preventing escalation by ensuring the people are on the loosing side is actually a good thing.
Yes people would die if they had guns, probably more of them than if they didnt. But at least it is a fight they could choose to have or not, and potentially win. As it stands right now they dont have the choice at all to put their life on the line for freedom, that isnt a good thing.
@freemo
That's valid and I agree. I'm concerned about those who want to protest but don't want to use lethal force. They'd be caught in the crossfire.
@jump_spider Would they? Thats not what happens in other countries where guns are legal. PRotesters are usually completely seperated from the battlefields with only a few rare exceptions.
In the USa when people protest no one is shooting them down with machine guns just because some people int he country happen to own guns and use them.
@freemo @jump_spider I'm not convinced. If you're planning or executing an uprising you will not be acquiring guns and ammunition with legal means, because the same government can easily cut you off. Gun laws don't really apply here, not for a extended period of time at least. Unless the law is "lets sell them in supermarkets with 0 regulation".
A small armed rebellion that is destined to fail will just provide an excuse for the tyranny.
Presumably by the time you decide an uprising is needed you've already long since bought your guns or inherited them from your parents.
I dont think anyone wakes up one day and just decides to plan an uprising and goes out and buys their first gun.
@freemo
You'll have to buy a lot of ammunition to have a chance at "winning", and there is no way you'll not be noticed doing that, put on the "list" and all your plans prevented before you have a chance to execute them. Unless again you break the law(which you're doing anyway) or the if the law says "bullets are candy".
@jump_spider