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@kravietz ious to see how much those sorts of programs effect the vaccination rate numbers.
@freemo They certainly don't affect if there are none :)
@freemo
The problem is that insufficient studies have been done on the interactions between adjuvants.
Have any studies on the interactions between the aduvants in one vaccine with the antigens in another vaccine given in the same shot or at the same time EVER been done? If great effort is expended to insure the right adjuvant gets delivered with the right antigen, it follows that the same amount of effort needs to be expended studying the unintended "cross-contamination" between adjuvant-adjuvant and adjuvant-antigen combos.
You know what the largest segment of new vaccine doubters is? Physicians. They're the ones who actually see the fallout from this great human guinea pig laboratory.
All of the above is from the W.H.O. in their talks on the fact that vaccines need new marketing. THEY are the ones lamenting the complete lack of studies.
@sda Its a bit of a misnomer that every combination must be tested before we can rule out harm. In statistics if there was a harmful reaction that was significant between mixing vaccines we would see it in the data from the populous who generally take many overlaping vaccines. The only way we wouldnt notice it is if the effects are so rare that it would be lost as statistical noise. If thats the case it is a non issue anyway since its so rare it effects few people.
Well, the WHO doesn't seem to agree with you:
"... we're really only in the
beginning of the era of large datas, sets, where hopefully
you could START to uh, kind of harmonize the databases for multiple studies, uh, and there's actually, uh an initiative under way, uh, Helen, there, uh, uh, may want to comment on it to try get more national vaccine safety database linked together so could start to answer these type of questions that you just raised."[about antigen/adjuvant cross reactions]
- Dr. Robert Chen, Brighton Collaboration (at the Global Vaccine Saftety Summit Geneva 2019/12/3)
@mewmew @freemo
So, you know drain cleaner A is safe. You know drain cleaner B is safe. Mix them together.
> but actual studies have found negligible harm compared to the huge benefits.
Institute of Medicine
... studies designed to examine the long-term effects of
cumulative number of vaccines or other aspects of the immunization schedule have not been conducted.
... existing research has not been designed to test the entire immunization schedule
No studies have compared the difference in health outcomes... between entirely unimmunized populations of children and fully immunized children.
> No studies have compared the difference in health outcomes... between entirely unimmunized populations of children and fully immunized children.
Well, we could compare child mortality rate with current children vs before the various vaccines were invented. I think we can imagine the results already.
To be fair I am retarded and I did get all of my shots. Perhaps the negative effect is that we're kind of not evolving our immune systems anymore but rather we're complementing them with science.
Which is all fine and dandy until the apocalypse comes and there are no more vaccines.
With vaccines, this appears to no longer be a problem.
Like the only problem I see with vaccines is what I'm talking to @mewmew , that we're not quite evolving naturally anymore, which is good because today we can create vaccines and cures instead if seeing how many survive the next black plague equivalent, you feel me?
I'm not sure how the mechanism works, but my understanding is Chicken Pox is a weird disease where you actually want to get it as a kid, because as an adult it's much more serious.
Measles, though...measles has killed around 200 million people. That you only remember it as "mildly unpleasant" doesn't really matter. It is potentially fatal.
"Measles came to us from cows, a slight modification of the bovine rinderpest virus. Although now regarded as a relatively benign disease, measles devastated the Native Americans, who had never been exposed to it, and, along with smallpox, was a principle reason the invading Spaniards prevailed. It has been estimated that between 1840 and 1990, measles killed about 200 million people worldwide."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20453-2005Apr2.html
And if 2.6 million died in 1980 alone, try to guess how many have died over the last 200 years.
@freemo The problem is that there is *no* education around vaccines these days, either medical or holistic :) I have talked to a group of senior vaccinology doctors in Poland last year and asked them when was the last countrywide vaccine information campaign - and their response was a blank stare :) So in a way, medicine is losing the war with anti-science scammers by walkover.