@Tayo@fosstodon.org There was no "botched Iowa Thing" ... Bernie sanders supports just cant accept that he is a shitty politician with shitty policies no one likes. So when he looses they just assume things must be rigged.

As someone who used to be a Bernie Supporter in the last election I can say, no a **lot** of his old supporters would never support him again after the last election when he put party over morality. In fact not only do a lot not support him he drove a suprisingly large number (over 12%) to vote for trump in the last election when after supporting Hillary.

With that said I agree, Pete doesnt really indicate he is going to win, afterall it was just one state. But man, lets hope he does, he is the only democratic runner right now who hasnt destroyed their own reputation.

@freemo @Tayo@fosstodon.org I’m trying to follow your take here... you don’t like Bernie because he is a “party loyalist” and supported Hillary to beat Trump (even though he’s not a Democrat) and you support Pete as if Pete would have done anything different than Bernie?

@valence Bernie has explicitly declared himself a democrat, any claim he is not a democrat would be a straight up lie. There is an option to be an independent (as some congress members are neither). Bernie isnt one of them though.

Did Pete at any point publicly endorse hillary if so you might have a point

@freemo Bernie has always been an independent in Congress. He is running as a Democrat because he is actually trying to win, and he supported Hillary, not because he likes her, but because he thinks she’s better than Trump. You seem to have a problem with establishment Dems in general and you’re likely going to be disappointed if you think Pete’s playing a different game. He’s been groomed for this by the establishment. Obama touted him a few years back as one to look out for.

@valence He has literally been a democrat since for ever. At no point in his career has he ever not been a democrat, even long before he had the presidency in sight.

And yea, supporting an evil person no matter what his excuse is not acceptable. Thankfully hillary didnt win. Trump is aweful but at least he is no Hillary.