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Interesting Fact of the Day:
Current climate change is happening at a pace 6.2 times faster than the climate change that resulted from the asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs.
We have had 1.06 C change in about 150 years. The dinosaurs experienced a 4.5 degree change over 4,000 years. So for the dinosaurs it changed at a pace of 0.001125 C per year for us it has been about .007 degrees per year. So current climate change is happening 6.2x faster than it did during the extinction of the dinosaurs.
I understand why COVID is, for you, a very serious issue. But what snow said is equivalent to someone saying "man people suck, if the world ended it would be a good thing".. if someone says that i dont think it would make them insensitive to anyone who has ever suffered and died though.
Its about context. You cant judge a person's generalized comment directed to someone else the same as you would someone speaking to you directly and aware of your personal struggles
@freemo @snow Yeah, I know, it's just kinda shitty to pick that issue to latch onto specifically when it's a real and current threat and not some abstract possibility like the world ending immediately.
It would be perfectly fine to hope for something that's unlikely or near-impossible, but to muse in such a manner about something that's already affecting people is in deeply bad taste.
I'm not so much personally offended due to my own *personal* struggles as I am bothered by the choice of an issue that's so heavily stoked in racial issues and nationalism to illustrate said morbid point.
Btw @snow re: the whole "ε¦οΌη³»εεΆε¦οΌζ¬δΎθΊ«ι«ε ηΊη©Ίζ°£ζ±‘ζζει‘ε°ε²δΊΊεͺδ»²ιεΏοΌε€§ιΈε€§εε·₯γ" thing, I'm Korean, but nice try.
@freemo @snow Yeah what makes it controversial is that the outbreak happened in China specifically which might make some people relate more personally.
That being said, though, the effect wouldn't be the same in Europe or the Americas simply because of population density to be so different. Cities in Asia are simply so much bigger.
So yeah @greenled, I don't think anyone has a "this is good" sentiment, but more of a "it wouldn't be bad if the world's population would somehow drop" sentiment.
@stevenroose @freemo @snow Yeah, I mentioned in another reply thread that hoping for abstract "it would be fine if the population just dropped" is fine because it's not a real possibility and isn't already affecting people.
The outbreak def wouldn't be such a big deal if it hadn't started in China during Chinese New Year while people were crossing the country to visit relatives, so perhaps to a certain degree Confucianism is to blame.
That said, edgy teens would definitely meme a plague in Europe, however impotent it proved to be.
@stevenroose The idea that dinosaurs lived long lifespans is an old, now defunt, theory. The consensus is that most dinosaurs probably lived 70 or 80 years. Granted that is exceptionally long for a wild animal but about on par with modern day humans.
@freemo This is phenomenal. Ya, I don't think there is a chance we can hit the breaks on this. I found this the most interesting aspect of temperature increase. Unless we develop a mobile rebreather we won't survive the hydrogen sulfide environment naturally generated by ocean bacteria in warmer waters (obvious result of climate change).
"Once the oxygen is gone, the oceans become the realm of bacteria that obtain their oxygen from sulfur oxide compounds. These bacteria strip oxygen from the compounds and produce hydrogen sulfide. Hydrogen sulfide kills aerobic organisms.
Humans can smell hydrogen sulfide gas, the smell of rotten cabbage, in the parts per trillion range. In the deeps of the Black Sea today, hydrogen sulfide exists at about 200 parts per million. This is a toxic brew in which any aerobic, oxygen-needing organism would die. For the Black Sea, the hydrogen sulfide stays in the depths because our rich oxygen atmosphere mixes in the top layer of water and controls the diffusion of hydrogen sulfide upwards."
-from article
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/02/050223130549.htm
Here is a small occurrence which I think heard is seasonal. This is the most recent event. experienced in San Diego, Ca. USA
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-12/rotting-stench-replaces-blue-flash-as-red-tide-sweeps-california-coast
@EVoCeO If we stopped all pollution and carbon loading 100% tomorrow, I think we would avoid most of the effects long term.
Not saying that is practical but the point is I do feel it is avoidable given humans take the right steps quickly enough.
The reason I agree with you in that it isnt likely to be stopped is because I do not think humans will take the steps needed, its just too drastic in most peoples minds I guess.
@freemo Fortunately for us, our lives are so much shorter than dinosaurs' so we don't have to witness as much change one lifetime at a time. (And in theory we could evolve around this faster, but we all know civilization kind-of worked against evolution in many ways.)