@lordalveric Yup, it all started with 911, fear got the best of us and it was downhill from there... With this quarantine bullshit it worried me where this might take us now.

@freemo Yes, I am concerned about not only the quarantine BS, but also the border closings.

I can understand closing the borders, but the way this was done was without warning. Now, I cannot visit my wife in Poland. Kinda sucks.

But in general, there's a lot of disturbing things transpiring now. Germany will throw you in jail for up to 5 years or a €25,000 fine if you gather in groups greater than 50... but I think the bar is lower than that now.

It's gotten to the point where I'm thinking perhaps it would be better if I were back in the US, with all the shitstorms that await me there.

@lordalveric Im not concerned so much about the immediate actions, borders, or quarintine or whatever.. But the truth is this thing may very well be with us for years, maybe forever.. how will that fear be taken advantage of long term?

@freemo My thought precisely. We both know that whenever government say something is just "temporary", it usually winds be being exactly the opposite.

@lordalveric Yup... still waiting for that temporary Patriot Act to be taken off the books.....

@freemo Yep. Obama kept reauthorizing it year after year. I thought for sure he would end it. Boy, I could not have been more wrong. Yes, he's a stinky Democrat, but I was just hoping....