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Stole this one from @stux , felt it deserved its own toot. LOL We got this moron Donald Trump Going up against Mumbles McBiden, America doesnt stand a chance.
I'm basing it off having joined 3 different Antifa groups in three difference states in the USA. I will admit Antifa outside of the USA isnt fascist however.
To be clear I am talking about Antifa (capital A) and not anti-fascists as a whole
As for if they are a group, thats sort of true. they operate more akin to how terrorist organizations act, they have a logo, outfits to identify eachother, and shared literature and ideology, but instead of acting as a single overarching organization they generally operate as independent cells.
Of the three groups I joined each one used violence as an intentional tactic and generally applied it indiscriminately.
Outside of the three Antifa cells/groups I quickly joined I have also witnessed other Antifa groups I was familiar with commit violence, once against an old man wearing a MAGA hat (was beating him bloody) and another old man at a Trump rally whom they were throwing explosives at. Both of these people appeared to also be operating as part of a group/cell with fellow members.
Anyone who isnt in an Antifa group, doesnt adopt the logo, and doesnt adopt the tactics isnt Antifa, they are anti-fascists, they are very different things.
I didnt seek out violent Antifa groups. I sought out Antifa groups for peaceful protest, its just every single one of them happened to be violent.
This is hardly my opinion even the definition of Antifa specifically agrees with my description for the most part (again capital A):
Antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈæntiˌfɑː/)[1] is a predominantly left-wing,[2][3][4][5] anti-fascist political activist movement in the United States[11][16] comprising a diverse array of autonomous groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of direct action rather than through policy reform.
The keys words there are "direct action" (meaning we if all your doing is being peaceful and protesting you arent Antifa), and that it is explicitly comprised of a collective of autonomous groups (basically the definition of cells).
The only thing Wikipedia doesnt explicitly mention is that the "direct action" criteria for Antifa usually boils down to violence.
I never said the definition was official. You just keep stating easily debunked facts.. the difference is your opinions are just your opinions. Wikipedia actually cites and backs up their claims fomr a large array of sources.
So clearly if you keep talking about "what everyone knows" and wikipedia is here directly contradicting you with a long list of sources, well that causes the weight of your argument to quickly shoot down to 0 because at the very least a great deal of people disagree with you.
funny it matches up exactly what I and everyone I know has expiernced... weird how that works huh?
I'd say the fact that I keep **quiting** violent Antifa groups the second I find out they are violent says more about me than Antifa. Says very little about antifascism though, thats a difference concept.
@freemo @stux yeah again, the fact those are the groups that are letting you in says a lot more about you than it says about anyone else. Assuming you act in any way similar to the way you act online, you'd be eliminated during the vetting process of any direct action group (and even several completely out in the open nonprofits) very quickly. I don't think I'm gonna convince you though, so thanks for your perspective, have a nice day.
Nah your just having a bit of a trantrum and when you cant argue you point you try to argue against character.. Which actually says more about **you** than me, but please go on..
As for them letting me in, I have yet to find any group that didnt let me in, those were literally the first three I asked.
So good job grasping at straws and all, but a little common sense quickly debunks that nonsense.
No I didnt say that at all, read what I said again, but this time slowly.
What I said is the moment you couldnt disagree with me using logic you starting attacking character out of desperation.
Once you crossed that line you showed you were triggered and having a tantrum rather than sharing a respectable debate about a difference of opinion.
@freemo @stux 99.999% of antifa aren't in explicit groups. Any self-identified "antifa groups," especially ones that would let people easily join are trolls or idiot larpers and even the majority of those are just silly anarchist book clubs.
If you specifically seak out "violent antifa groups" you can find a few idiots to hang with but calling the representative of a vague, uncoordinated movement is like calling that 10 year old fox news "hackers on steroids" report representative of Anonymous.