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@stux By the way this video you shared about how chemical reactions convert mass to energy... its really bad and you need to forget it.. care for me to explain?

youtu.be/t-O-Qdh7VvQ

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@freemo ๐Ÿ˜† yes tell me why that is! I love that channel

@stux Because mass is never converted to energy, not even in nuclear reactions.. E=mc2 tells you that energy **has** mass, and mass has energy. Basically mass can be manifested as matter or energy..

You can convert matter to energy but it makes no sense to say you convert mass to energy.

It talks about hydrogen explosions as converting mass to energy for example, that is flat out wrong.

Hydrogen bonds and oxygen bonds have a certain energy contained in them, that energy has some mass (which is in addition to any mass contributed by the matter itself). When an explosion happens those bonds break and form new H2O bonds which have less energy to them. The difference in energy has been released in the form of heat and light. So it has converted bond-energy into heat/light energy. The total amount of energy in the whole system (including the heat/light released) is exactly the same, the total amount of matter in the system is exactly the same, and therefore the total amount of mass of the system is exactly the same.

What happens however is that energy you released as heat and light doesnt stay on the water molecules you just created, they spread out onto other molecules and as light waves. So whatever mass that energy has is now sent flying out into the world.

So the water that you have as a result from the reaction will be infentesimally lower in mass than the hydrogen oxygen you started with. But at no point did a mass to energy "conversion" take place, that statement makes no sense in any context.

Even in a nuclear explosion you wont get a conversion of mass to energy, the total mass of the system will remain exactly the same. You will, however, get a conversion of matter into energy, which is what makes nuclear reactions unique.

@freemo @stux IIRC the bond energy is called enthalpy, hence say you have ionisaion energy in bonds for carbon which. So Ethane has a single bond whereas Ethene has 2 carbon bonds, so needs more energy to break.

@zleap

Enthalpy goes beyond just the bond energy. It includes the added energy due to pressure.. which of course should be considered too.. enthalpy is the total energy of the system.

@stux

@freemo @stux And if I get things nuclear reactions are under different pressure(s).,

@zleap

yes pressures would change. in a nuclear reaction part of the energy escapes as a shock wave, which is pressure...

Point is in non nuclear reactions energy, mass, and matter are always conserved individually.. in nuclear reactions mass is always conserved but matter converts to energy.

@stux

@freemo @stux So does that tie in with the conservation of matter rule for reactions ?

@zleap

Yes, chemical reactions always conserver matter, they always conserve energy, and they always conserve mass :)

@stux

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