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I wanted to show a foreigner a picture of what blackface looked like. I wanted a modern day picture in color so it was easier for them to recognize.
Problem is when I look on google images the only results that come up are that of a Christmas Elf called Zwarte Pete from Holland.
I had guessed that this may be intentional censorship so as not to give this particular form of hate speech a voice by eliminating it from search results.
To me this is a perfect example of why such censorship is counterproductive. The end result was I was unable to educate someone about this form of hate speech effectively.
@realcaseyrollins I wouldnt describe any of those as black face. Those are characters in makeup to look african, which isnt blackface IMO.. Blackface would have to be intentionally done to mock africans, usually with large red lips and literally black colored face pain.
@freemo Yeah this is true. The kind of blackface you're talking about isn't too common though, to my knowledge.
Are you sure this is a censorship thing? Or just that modern blackface isn't that common, and if it is, it never rises to the notoriety as past uses of it, so it wouldn't show up.
@realcaseyrollins I agree it isnt too common. I cant be sure its a censorship thing no. But I do know there are examples of people at parties in literal blackface, usually from the "alt-right" that should be pretty high on the result list and I cant find it.
@realcaseyrollins That is the christmas elf I was refering to. While I wont argue it is blackface I was looking for one that wasnt of the Holland christmas elf depicted here (Called Zwarte Pete)
@realcaseyrollins That would certainly count, thanks.
I am quite offended to have my positive memories of what is a traditional part of celebrating my birthday in Germany,
https://www.google.com/search?q=sternsinger&tbm=isch reinterpreted as hate speech.
@freemo @realcaseyrollins
To some extent I can understand that. Many people who celebrated Zwarte Pete dont really see it as racist. But there are clear racist elements all the same.
@freemo
Yes, there are elements of racism, but more in the sense of the exotic.
In the case of the Sternsinger tradition, the black king signifies that Jesus has been born as savior of all humankind, black folks included.
In ecclesiastical heraldry, as shown in the Coat of Arms of the diocese of Freising and the village of Ismaning, which was part of it, the moor's head does not carry the connotation of hate, see http://www.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/elezione/documents/stemma-benedict-xvi.html
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@freemo
I'm accusing USAmericans of cultural imperialism, because they demand of everybody, irrespective of heritage and cultural tradition, to reinterpret symbols that predate the European colonization of the Americas by centuries:
https://www.erzbistum-muenchen.de/ueber-uns/zahlen-daten-fakten/cont/74980
under the aspect of their own Peculiar Institution.
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@freemo I don't know how "modern" you need but at least as a colour video, check out Taco's cover of Puttin' on the Ritz.
@khird I actually love that song, but forgot about it for years, thanks for reminding me. I didnt recall there was blackface in it though.
@freemo I believe it's been reduced in the version that a network would show today. But that video has the "super duper" guys in blackface plus a weird tapdancing segment featuring maybe half a dozen on screen for close to a minute.
Apparently the song was a reference to black people in Harlem spending beyond their means to imitate the fashions of the wealthy.
@khird I noticed.. I totally forgot about all that.
@freemo If you search for bamboozled it will come up. It is an interesting movie that is meta in terms of the prejudice in the show business industry.
@freemo, informed by Michel Foucault's lectures on cynical parrhesia
[https://foucault.info/parrhesia/foucault.DT4.praticeParrhesia.en/, "Scandalous behavior"],
as a grandson of the Bezirksschornsteinfegermeister of Urach, I dressed up as chimney sweep for Halloween a few years ago, mostly to show that the Southern Californa burner crowd that their demand for assigning their interpretation of the symbol "blackface" (hate), even though for me, it's a symbol of luck and family tradition,
is a typical case of US parochialism and cultural imperialism.
It's possible that some Hollywood screen writers attended that Halloween party, so it's rather unlikely but not impossible that this ended up as inspiration for a Tonight Show skit with Jimmy Fallon and Christoph Waltz
[https://youtu.be/F0jr-HQeT74?t=200],
which, once you've suffered through reading through Foucault's lecture, is a textbook case of Cynical parrhesia.
That said, if you just want blackface without the intellectual overhead of my reduction to practice of Foucault's interpretation of antique cynical philosophy, you probably want to google the term "minstrel show",
https://www.google.com/search?q=minstrel+show&tbm=isch
@freemo Pretty sure last night I reposted a post someone made about an old sitcom that has blackface that's still on #Netflix...
But #RobertDowneyJr's #TropicThunder character is the most popular modern example of blackface
#JimmyKimmel did it too once, on #SNL