a superintelligent alien may not understand what we call mathematics. the mathematical tools we use may be built-in to their brains/bodies so they don't need to externalize ideas like prime numbers

@2ck Can you give any example in humans where we instinctively understand a concept but not consciously so?

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@2ck I don't understand why an alien wouldn't understand our math if they had some intuitive understanding of higher concepts like primes. I'd think that would make our math even easier to understand.

@admin @freemo @aetios I guess color is another example. After thinking about it more, being more intelligent than a human isn't necessary. probably even orthogonal. the interface that we have with the world biases the things we think are basic and natural. an alien may be capable of understanding, but their perceptions may make our presentation of mathematics deeply unintuitive

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I'd say most people do not understand color, instinctually or otherwise. we have labels for colors that are completely arbitrary but we fail pretty badly at being able to objectively categorize color, in fact our physical limitations make it harder to understand than it otherwise would.

Take for example distinguishing between pure green and a composite green (made of blue and yellow). to a human they would look indistinguishable when in fact they arent even related colors in any way. You'd insist two colors with no similarity were the same to someone who actually understood the colors being presented.

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@freemo A little birdie once told me that there are some tribes in either South America or Africa that don't have separate words Pink or Orange, indeed having the same word for either. The article I read was about the power of language in "programming" how one perceives reality, and this case was an example: since this tribe uses the same word to cover "both colors", to them they see the same color! There's also the case in that most Indo-European languages there are separations between an event, the cause of an event, and the perceiver of the event: in other words, strict separations of nouns and verbs. Whereas Chinese have many statements that pull "double-duty" as both nouns and verbs. Therefore, the Chinese mind can perceive a thing and an event (a noun and a verb) as the same "happening", which to many Western minds is an incomprehensible, alien concept! The ability of language to "alter reality" by using it to paint one word on a thing or event instead of another (one example: asking someone how they feel about the actions of "peaceful protesters" instead of saying "rioters", "anarchists", or "domestic terrorists" could give that person a positive perception of a given group and what they're doing instead of negative like the latter three would) could explain why so many believed in magic spells for thousands of years. @2ck @admin @aetios
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Sort of, you got some of the details off though.

The tribe you are referring to was the Himba tribe. The colors tested and in question was a light blue shade and green. They had one word which grouped green and blue together and no way to describe blue as its own thing, they did however have many different words for shades of green.

Finally they didnt look like the same color to them but instead simply took them a longer time in tests to distinguish the blue from green than the time it took them to distinguish shades of green.

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