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@realcaseyrollins Come on now that a load of crap and you know it. Jacob walked away slowly and got into a car, thats it, he had no gun, he made no threats, he just walked away slowly.
There was plenty of time to tackle him, plenty of ways to handle the situation. There was no justification to shoot, even less of a justification to shoot him in the back, and absolutely no reason to unload a whole clip.
> he made no threats
Has that been established? I heard people saying that he did but didn't hear him say that in the videos I've seen so far
> Jacob walked away slowly and got into a car, thats it
False, he was fighting the officers, then he got up.
Also, why do you think he was getting into the car? Was he going to show them photo ID or something? A reasonable assumption is that, after fighting the officers previously, he is reaching in for a weapon.
> absolutely no reason to unload a whole clip.
I agree with this. Seven shots (I think that's how many were fire right?) seem to be a bit much.
He was resisting arrest, he was not "fighting police".. No eye witnesses I know of who were there claimed he was violent.
"why do you think he was getting into the car"... Well police have already admitted there was no gun in the car, so why do YOU think he was getting in his car. You are implying he did it to get a weapon, but considering we already know for a fact there was no weapon in the car doesnt that debunk your very claim?
The simple fact is this, unless an officer sees a gun in your hand, and that gun is aimed at them (or you threaten to shoot them with it) they are NEVER justified in shooting someone. You can not shoot a person with the intention to kill them on the off chance they might maybe have a gun.
Here's the video of him fighting the officers in case you haven't seen it yet.
> The simple fact is this, unless an officer sees a gun in your hand, and that gun is aimed at them (or you threaten to shoot them with it) they are NEVER justified in shooting someone.
Demonstrably false. Someone could have a knife and the officers might not have any other way to defend themselves. An assailant might have a bomb or grenade. Police have the right to self defense, their lives matter too.
> You can not shoot a person with the intention to kill them on the off chance they might maybe have a gun.
That's not what they did tho. Why do you think they shot him in the back and not the head? Their intention was not to kill, but self defense. Which is why I have an issue with them shooting him so many time, because for self defense, that's not necessary. One or two shots will do.
Ok, yes that video is new to me... But i dont see him being violent int he video at all. It is hard to tell because it is blurry but all I see is the police pinning him down and him trying to wrestle to get away. I do not see him punching or stabbing at police or exhibiting violence in any way other than trying to get away.
He didnt have a knife, he didnt have a bomb, so yes I do agree if he had a knife and was at close quarters and the police were about to be stabbed it could be justified to get off a shot.. but again thats not what happened here.. he didnt have a weapon of any kind and was shot 7 times in the back.. so your point is moot, at no point were the police lives in danger.
If you unload 7 bullets into someone then the intent is to kill. The reason they didnt shoot in the head, and the reason they never shoot in the head, is because it is a smaller target and harder to hit. They are trained to aim for the body, not the head, because in a fight your more likely to hit it. 7 shots at point blank range is an intent to kill in my eyes. By your logic if the intent was to immobilize him then they would have shot him in the leg not the chest before he even got to the car.
@freemo @realcaseyrollins@kafuka.me @realcaseyrollins@gameliberty.club apparently there was a knife in his car. As for the number of shots I would say to both of you that under pressure like that, if you think someone is going to try to kill you, youre not going to be able to carefully consider all of your actions. Youre trained to shoot center-mass and shoot until the threat is stopped
@valleyforge @freemo @realcaseyrollins @realcaseyrollins Maaaaybe they should train them to be a teeeensy bit less trigger happy?
Like shoot once and if it connects he’s probably disabled from the pain and shock, so just watch his gun arm. Knife arm. Potential knife arm. Sure it would get a few more cops killed, but it would save so many more innocent lives from being shot dead, and isn’t that what the police do? Put their life on the line to save the lives of innocents?
If all they’re trying to do is kill the bad guys without taking any risks, then they can just fire bomb his car from a distance, or at least firebomb the local block. No cops lives would be put at risk then! Much safer.
I mean the guy had a knife, they had guns.. did they really have to shoot at all.. They could have, you know, taken a few steps back, been totally out of danger and threatened to shoot... should he lunge himself at them, sure, shoot... but even if he had a knife while i might say they are slightly more justified its still wayyyyy over reacting
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@freemo @cy @realcaseyrollins@gameliberty.club @realcaseyrollins@kafuka.me its really easy to say this when youre not in the situation. When the person who has already fought you off once is reaching for a knife while youre still wrestling with them youre going to use whatever force is available to you to defend yourself
He wasnt exactly still wrestling them, nore did he "fight" them off... I saw the video.. he didnt throw a single punch up until then or act violently.. They tried to pin him down and by the look of it he stood up, non violently, walked to his car (didnt run) and got in, nothing else. I have not seen him at any point on tap be violent, only seen him continually try to walk away.
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