Just a little recap on coronavirus numbers for those who like to make it sound like Trump and the USA did a bad job on handling it, when in fact long-term seems we did a better job than almost any other country.

Just a side note, it is important we look at coronavirus cases and not deaths because we dont have similar comorbidities across countries. Obesity is the #1 comorbidity for coronavirus and the USA has more of that, by far, than any other country. Obviously we cant lay that blame on Trump or the government. So if we want to fairly evaluate the USA's government in handling this we have to look at the part of the equation they have control over that is case count. So lets give a good summary of that.

I will break the numbers down into two points, one to demonstrate long term outlook will be the change in case numbers since lockdown was letup in each respective country. For the most part that would be mid june to mid july for most countries. The other number we will look at is the current situation, which we will look at percentage of the population currently infected to measure that.

Literally I picked 7 random countries in europe and even included canada. The USA has beat all but two countries in terms of infection rate, canada, which is only slightly better, and germany, which has half the infection rate. The other 5 countries the USA is doing significantly better than on infection rate. More importantly though in terms of trending since lockdown the USA has significantly outperformed every single country without a single exception by a huge margin. In fact the USA is the only country showing a downward trend since lockdown was over at 1/3 increase where all other countries have seen upward trends between 5x and 86.16x. So overall I'd say the USA is probably one of the best performing countries worldwide in terms of the coronavirus when we consider both long-term outlook and current infection rate.

Moreover, while we cant really compare absolute numbers in the case of death rate, due to the comorbidity issue I mentioned we can still evaluate that by looking at relative numbers. Essentially if we look at how quickly our medical system adapted to reduce the mortality rate since initial outbreak till now (which would normalize for comorbidities to some extent). As can be seen in the attached chart the USA has done quite well in that regard as well.

USA:
* 0.00679% infected
* 1/3 decrease (0.33x) in case rate since out of lockdown

Canada:
* 0.00565% infected (0.832x of USa)
* 9x increase since out of lockdown

UK:
* 0.0107% infected (1.57x more than USA)
* 5x increase since out of lockdown

Spain:
* 0.0306% (4.51x more than USA)
* 86.16x increase since out of lockdown

Belgium:
* 0.0227% (3.34x more than USA)
* 36.7x increase since out of lockdown

Netherlands:
* 0.0190% infected (2.8x more than USA)
* 53x increase since out of lockdown

Sweden:
* 0.00671% infected (0.988x the USA)
* 16x increase since out of lockdown

Germany
* 0.00321% infected (0.472x USA)
* 12.4x increase since lockdown

-19 @adrysdale @Space6host

@freemo @adrysdale @Space6host so you essentially fabricated some random numbers to show your narrative.
First lie: in most countries the knockdown started in March and ended in May-June and not in mid June-July as you say.
You even included Sweden and claimed 16x increase since out of lockdown, but according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_lockdowns Sweden never went in lockdown.

Get in touch with reality, USA dismissed the pandemic as an issue for MONTHS, it never did well. Maybe what you wanted to say is that they fixed many issues recently and that might explain the improvements you are claiming.
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Wow you didnt even bother to read what I said did you..

For starters I claimed that the lockdown varied a great deal from country to country and in each case the numbers were picked based on when restrictions mostly eased up. so already covered the fact that not **all** countries were mid june.

Second I also explicitly stated sweden did not have a full lockdown, I devoted a whole paragraph to it. I pointed out they had a much relaxed lock down and thus had better numbers than a lot of europe. The date for them I picked was based on when restrictions eased up.

Please if your going to actually make a fool of yourself and make personal attacks on someone and be an arrogant annoying little prick in the process, at least have the common sense to bother to read (assuming you are capable) before you start spewing a your 10 year old maturity all over the thread. I dont mind people who disagree, I even welcome it, but I do expect them to act like adults.

By the way the current infection count per country, and thus the infection percentage and rate of increase, were the official government numbers in every case, so not exactly disputed figures either.

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