today I started a list: things I'll do when I'll have a lot of money.

I understood how used I am to being so close to poverty when I wrote stuff like a 20 bucks bluetooth speaker and a set of screwdrivers.

@arteteco the difference between a rich person and a poor person is that a rich person spends most of their time trying to think of ways they could spend/invest money they don't have yet, a poor person thinks up ways they will spend money they don't yet have :)

Though I think this applies a bit farther above the poverty line than you are dealing with too. Obviously you gotta cover the basic needs first. but someone told me that once and it stuck with me.. how you spend (in your head) the money you dont have yet says everything about your financial future.

@freemo I don't think I understood this, a rich person spends time thinking of ways to invest and the poor on ways to spend, you mean?

@arteteco Pretty much yes.. basically how you have mentally ear marked the money you dont have yet whether it be mentally earmarked as a means to create some new company or project, or on indulgences.. basically as you say investment vs personal spending.

@freemo Oh, I see now, makes sense. I don't have a rich future ahead of me, it seems =D
I think in the US you people are more attuned to that kind of entrepreneurship and personal economic growth, which is something I appreciate and I should learn from.

To be sure, as long as I have the basics and a bit more I'm alright, I'm not complaining, was just playing with my mind ๐Ÿ˜

@arteteco @freemo

We like stuff that works so well it pays for itself.

We don't like ideological quests.

Generally.

@amerika

I dunno, I think america has become the HQ for ideological quests in many ways. I generally see americans as being extremists in everything. Most americans are radically ideological, while others dont care much at all about ideological quests, there is very little middle ground.

Contrast that with europe where most people tend to be centrist with a small minority at the ideological extremes.

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@freemo @arteteco

Only because "centrist" in the contemporary European definition is Leftist: market socialism + civil rights + democracy.

Americans are more prone to like that which demonstrates itself over that which is merely popular. It's an important distinction, probably impossible to explain.

@amerika

that has not at all been my expeirnce as someone who lives in both america and europe. Though it is what you hear most often.

The leftists in america in my experience are far more extremist than anything I’ve ever seen in europe. In fact most europeans I know who have spent any real time in america tend to mock american leftists for their absurdity. Same is true for our right leaning people, also generally considered extreme.

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@freemo @arteteco

Relativity, what is it?

When the center is Left, extremes will appear either redundant or dangerous, as you note.

American Leftists are generally single people, crazy people, or minorities.
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@amerika

I think part of the disconnect here is that you view left, right, and center as relative terms. I wouldnt agree with that assessment.

While there is certainly a lot of variation and flavor in how right, center, and left might manifest I think that often becomes confused with implying relativity. If everyone is on the left then the left doesn't become the new center, everyone just agrees their on the left.

I see this in places where there is a clear left or right lean to their society. Even in societies where 95% of the population might be right leaning they would still identify themselves as right, and the majority of the population would. You dont really see a shift towards considering the right center in those cases.

I think we have pretty clear ideas of where the left most and right most points of this spectrum are and they are pretty absolute in their nature. The msot extreme left would be some flavor of communism, for example, and once your full on communism you cant go any farther left.

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@freemo @arteteco

Leftism has always been clear: egalitarianism.

It's a relativistic universe, so everything is relativistic.

The point is that if your "center" goes Left, it is no longer "center," only conformity to the dominant paradigm.

That makes other things look less or more Left.

@amerika

While that may make sense in some situations, here I wouldnt say that applies.. Just based on actual examples int he real world.

If you were correct then in every society about 50% would consider themselves left and 50% would consider themselves right. Yet in societies that are relatively more right you actually see a larger portion of the population self identifying as right.. you never see the center "move" as you suggest.

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@freemo @arteteco

Um, no, there's absolutely zero reason to think that half would choose Left and half would choose Right.

@amerika

If your assertion were true, and left and right were relative and the idea of center" shifts" relative to the societies perception then yes, that is exactly what one would expect, you would expect to see the center shift to represent the middle of the society and thus split the groups down the middle.

You are right there is no reason to think in reality there would be a 50/50 split, because left and right isnt relative but rather absolute and the center does not move with society at all.

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