@Demosthenes Did you just say that out loud? I feel qoto.org might be about to drop off our relay...
@trumpet no no, I personally am tolerant. Racism is bad, discrimination is bad, yada yada. But rules forcing that is a limit on free speech.
@trumpet its even in qoto's rules to be tolerant and respectful.
@Demosthenes Do you speak for qoto.org or are you only a user there?
@Demosthenes @freemo Let’s hope so, eh?
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Yes I am the QOTO admin... what exactly is the issue here.. Seems @Demosthenes is saying "its ok and even right to limit speech in certain circumstances, but it can not be described as complete freedom of expression if those limits exist, even if they happen to be good and constructive limits"
it seems then that trumpet took offense to this remark. Either Trumpet simply misunderstood what was being said and wrongly assumed something worse than what was being implied, or I simply dont understand the situation at hand.
I would say freedom of speech as a legal principle only guarantees your right to be free to hold opinions, it does not give one the freedom to say anything they like. However freedom of speech as a legal principle is also not complete and absolute freedom of expression as the term may suggest, as a principle it doesn't guarantee all forms of utterance, for example it doesnt give you the right to shout fire in a crowded theater.
Anyway all that said I have no clue why there is an issue here at all over what was said and hoping trumpet just misread something.
@freemo @Demosthenes And honestly it’s a real kick in the butt when people try to tell you how to run an instance that you pay for and put your time into and ultimately have the final say on, which I’m sure is something you @freemo are very familiar with 😜
Of course, but I dont think that was Demosthenes intent, to tell you how to run your instance. In fact they seemed to be more interested in pointing out the inaccuracy of your wording than to actually have any complaint about your rules themselves. I do not see demosthenes criticising your rules at any point, simply nit picking the language.
Obviously it seems like just a miscommunication and you happened to read it that way. Obviously given the hostility in the mastodon community I can understand your defensiveness but really, its not needed here, I doubt that was their intent.
@freemo @Demosthenes I’ve slightly edited my post which will hopefully please the lawyers out there.
I dont think anyone needed you to do that. I think it was just an intellectual insight on some phrasing. Most people like to comment things and point out interesting observations (interesting to them) to strike up conversation. I probably would have done the same in their shoes.
Criticism doesn't mean something negative, (though sadly on the internet it often can be), its usually just intended as a starting point for a discussion.
