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Have I mentioned yet today how much I hate python multiprocessing, or writing cpu-limited algorithms on python in general... my god why could they not fix the GIL lock problem in python3, are the devs really this lazy!
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@freemo FYI this kind of thing is kinda disrespectful. Python is a remarkably successful language and a lot of incredibly smart people work very hard on it.
When you start working on a project as widely used and complicated as Python, you realize that backwards compatibility concerns very quickly make seemingly simple things incredibly difficult.
@pganssle Yea I suppose I should have kept my criticism to the language and the tech and not extend it to the developers, just in the sense of disrespect. So I will take that aspect.
But I stand by what I have said, I have worked with countless languages and know hundreds and of all the relatively mainstream and significantly developed languages out there I've never found a language that feels as sloppily put together as python does.
Don't get me wrong I've used python lightly for years. It has a place and for some things it works well enough to be a non-issue. But overall it feels like it wasnt developed to the level of quality i expect of a mainstream language.
@freemo It's incredibly popular and widely used by an *increasing* fraction of the ecosystem for a good reason.
Your criticisms are not uncommon, and they tend to be leveled at Python by people who come from other languages and then don't try and learn the "Python way" to do things.
In any case, I am not a Python maximalist. I suspect that you are not really giving Python a fair shot, or are judging based on some subjective measure like aesthetic, but you have every right to your opinion.
If you think you are going to need to use Python a lot in the future for whatever reason, it would probably be a good idea to start coming up with objective measures of what you dislike about it and see how experienced Python programmers would solve the problems. You may be surprised with how competent and versatile Python actually is.
> In any case, I am not a Python maximalist. I suspect that you are not really giving Python a fair shot,
If i werent giving python a fair shot I wouldnt be using it and I wouldnt be rewriting my code 5x over to make it more pythonic where I can.
I am more than happy to keep trying to use it until it becomes impossible and dont intend to jump ship anytime soon. Likewise i will keep complaining and hold my criticisims until one of those rewrites, which hopefully get me closer to idiomatic python, produces code elegance and performance that I can praise.
For the moment the journey does not have me impressed, time will tell if that opinion changes. But for now I clearly am "giving it a chance", I just can and will continue to complain until those chances I keep giving it prove my preconceptions wrong (and maybe they will).
@freemo Sorry, I think I may not have fully understood the context here. It sounded like you were being forced to use Python for some reason and were complaining about this need.
I think you may have a better experience if instead of complaining about why it doesn't fit your preconceptions you asked, "How do people do X?" Usually if other people complain, "Oh yeah that's basically impossible", then yeah it's a sore spot 😛
@pganssle Not really forced to use python, no.. there was some pressure to use it simply because there were more python libraries for algorithmic trading (specifically to access the broker APIs themselveS) than other languages.. but if i was really against python that would not have stopped me, especially considering that most of the project is hand rolled anyway (algorithms of my own design).
> I think you may have a better experience if instead of complaining about why it doesn't fit your preconceptions you asked, "How do people do X?" Usually if other people complain, "Oh yeah that's basically impossible", then yeah it's a sore spot
That would depends on the intended goal of complaining... If you are talking about how people might respond to me, then yes, I agree. If i were in a IRC room asking for python help, for example, my tone would be very different and i wouldnt complain so directly. On here however my goal isnt really to get help (though advice and help is always welcome and considered).. its mostly me complaining because it makes me laugh, starts some decent conversations,and it feels good to vent to my friends.
Now if what you mean is that my own mentality might be different if i didnt complain and i might be more productive.. well I'd agree with you if we were talking about an all encompassing mentality. but generally thats not how it tends to play out with me... sure I complain but in the same breath im googling how to do shit in python the right way, looked at 20 different examples, and pulling those that appear most elegant. I've rewritten this code probably 5 times in various ways as I do that. So trust me, while complaining might be off putting to you and others who might be more able or willing to help (and that is an unintended side effect), it isnt really slowing me down when it comes to learning the pythonic way of doing things.
