@stux

Well no not exactly.. I would word it differently "everyone has the right not to be killed, if you permit people to murder then you take away that right"

The default is a single human being in an infinitely empty universe.. you have all ther ights to do anything, stab what you likely, shoot what you like, the right to everything.. then you introduce other human being to the thought experiment, now you have rights which can no longer co-exist and be exercised, thats where governments come in. Their entire purpose is to resolve contradictory rights that arise when humans exist as groups.

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@freemo @hamjb

Haha but that also the different angle right Is totally depends how you look at it xD There's no right or wrong only the ones we make up

Hm.. Governments or regilion?

Isn't that kinda the same deal in this story?

I know what you mean indeed but now in 2021 those "restrictions" or "taken away rights" are generally accepted (mostly) like don't kill another hooman etc

@stux

I would never argue that we shouldnt take away or restrict some rights, we should within reason. and yea religion can often serve a similar purpose.

though to go back to the original statement, I would say that driving a car isnt one of those things a government should really have the right to regulate.. it seems almost absurd to me personally. If im being reckless then yes, arrest me, but as long as I'm driving safely I shouldnt need to seek anyones permission to do so.

@hamjb@mstdn.social

@freemo @stux @hamjb one might be careful confusing "accepting" a loss of inalienable rights with "hasn't napalmed the capital building over it yet."

a lot of those losses have not been taken on the chin, but suppressed by ex. facebook and courts refusing to give remedy or hear cases.

@freemo @hamjb @stux in recent canada cases they allowed jews to congregate† and then told normal citizens to get fucked. the judge dismissed the non-jews case by claiming they "didn't allege harm" despite clearly saying the lockdown measure†† violated his charter right to mobility.

†the court ruled that the religious service was allowed, the citizens wasn't, and used some cop-out "oh its a different thing because i said it was" mechanism to avoid justifying how jewish synagogs are safe but a private gathering of equal size is not.

††canadian health minister admitted the lockdown had zero medical justification

@freemo @hamjb @stux by simply not reporting on cases like this, you can fake that people are OK with being trampled by the government. they are not. they just haven’t started killing people to enforce how not okay they are with it, which is all governments understand in the end.

@icedquinn @hamjb @freemo The fact there's a divide between "normal people" and "jews" makes it wrong all together in the first place..

What the fuck is wrong with hoomanity.. We are all the same, its not that hard really

@stux It's pretty fucked but that's how it seems to play out. If a jewish religious group wants to congregate they get expedient remedy (Canada), the christian churches had to get supreme court overrides to congregate (USA), and areligious gatherings of equivalent sizes are shat on entirely.

It's a mass house arrest because they can. It saves zero lives. https://archive.vn/ZYGG4

@hamjb @freemo

@stux @icedquinn @hamjb @freemo

I think, this part of the problem comrs in this case from the jews themselfes…

The “slbstverständnis” of the jews is, to be and STAY not to be part of the rest of zhe people in the country, where they live… they call themself “Juden IN Deutschland” to separate themself from the germans.

For me, we all are only humans, and religion and ideologie is only to divide people… obviously most people love to be devided (AND all the others are not that good as WE are), to feel a little better… on the jewish part of this game, the rules seem to be the same. Jews hae to marry jews. A jew is only a jew, if the mother is a jew… others can maximal convert religion.. but you can never become a original jew… its the same stupid game…

@stux @freemo @hamjb @icedquinn please understand me correct!

it is the same stupid game as christians play, and muslims, and all of the nationalists all over the world. and the communists, and the kapitalists...

divide people in "we" and "the other". and it's really difficult to see on the problem, if jews are involved, to not get stamped as "antisemitic"... i don't like nationalists, i don't like religion, i don't like religious like ideologics... and i don't like rassists.

under this circumstance, jews play a very rassistic game for themselve, because they see themselve as a very old tribe, different from all others... and choosen from god as his own tribe. this is in *my* world not even better as the german nazis thought... if i look back in history... just read the holy bible... the *old* jews, the hebraic people, did also gennocids... much smaller then the nazis did with the jews... and this gennocids are in the holy books for jews AND christians... holy crap!!!

yes. the holocaust was one of the awfullst stories in menhood... but it was not the only one. people are stupid and like to kill others who are only "other"....

i don't understand all this :-(

@jakob @freemo @hamjb @stux going deep in to the religion thing really wasn't my point. the inconsistency was, as was highlighting attempts to lawfully protest lockdowns by ex. seeking injunctive relief.

@freemo @hamjb

Well, I would never ever go out on the streets ever again if a licence or insurance for example was not required by the government hahaha!

Omfg.. People WITH a licence can barely keep control over a 1000KG+ weighing death machine let alone without any "proof" omg.. That's death for everyone!

Its hard getting a licence here but i think it should be even harder.. Let them practice before killing another person :(

@stux

You probably would when you realized it didnt make things anymore dangerous, wehn you realize it was never licenses or insurances keeping things in check but rather peoples desire not to kill a little kid and go to jail for 10 years

@hamjb@mstdn.social

@freemo @hamjb

That's a bonus haha! Trust me, police helps for sure! And even the pennalties.

for sure people don't wanna kill, I hope..! Else they belong or in jail or into a nuthouse 😇

@freemo @hamjb
Let me put it another way 😇
I have my licence for about 9 years now I think but i still am very uncomfortable driving a car.. I can drive thats not the issue but I constantly keep reminding myself of things that can go wrong with this heavy machine that goes over 120/130KM/H and that's me! If something goes wrong I have almost zero control over the situation, how does this go with more 'fragile' people who also take on the road.. If I get myself killed it's "okay" but others? no

@freemo @hamjb I would no one dare to get into that with zero experiece what so ever.. And a licence is not a garantee, aboslutely not but a real good demo/tutorial for what's about to come

Still my order on the road:
1. Pedestrians
2. Cyclists
3. Motorciclist
4. Public transit
5. Cars

@freemo @hamjb

Off-topic; "Helping others for me also helps my own situation with distraction 😉" For example, I'm still till my shoulders in debt but my Masto bill goes before everything else since it brings so much joy and distraction from the crappy stuff in life! Worth it!