What is it with conservatives and this "there are only two sexes" nonsense... Are they trying to convince us they arent any smarter than a grade schooler or something. Anyone who has had more than an elementary school education knows full well its not that simple...

#LGBT #transrights

@freemo it is that simple unless you list deformities and birth defects. I was ok with separating gender and sex but now this shit is getting ridiculous.

@a7 @freemo i mean i liked where they were going with this but then they all fucked it up and started demanding random pronouns and validation from normal people. i still don't necessarily hate gender-retarded people, i certainly hate the ones on the internet.

@yarra

Pronouns are about gender, not sex, not even related to what is being discussed. I do agree the pronoun stuff is obnoxious and can mostly be ignored. But a few people acting rediculous really doesnt change the established science behind the spectrum of sexes that exist naturally.

@a7

@freemo @a7 i don't know the established science behind it. i would love to read about it tho. you can link me some books if you want. also i prefer books that aren't written by pedophiles. Pat Califia disgusts me.

@yarra

Its an entire medical disciplin but sure, there are tons of books, after i eat my lunch ill link you a whole host of papers ont he various variations.

@a7

@freemo @yarra show me asexual reproduction of humans. Show me a self impregnating hermaphrodite.

@a7

What are you on about? There are a handful of cases but not sure what point your getting at.. You trying to argue if someone is infertile or if their chromosomes dont line up with their genitals then they dont have a sex or some nonsense? Your making no sense.

@yarra

@freemo @yarra sending out the virtue signal commissioner Gordon we need the xxyxyyman-er human !

@a7 @freemo @yarra
I don't know if anyone needs to hear this but klinfelter syndrome isn't its own sex, it's a set of symptoms occurring in males. XYY syndrome is likewise a genetic condition occurring in males. XY gonadal dysgenesis on the other hand is a genetic condition that occurs in females. There is no third sex and freemo is a fucking retard.

@Agni

kleinfelter syndrom is considered to be part of the intersex spectrum. In other words, they have some qualities of males, others of females.

I never claimed there was a third sex either, so clearly your reading skills are as excellent as your biology skills. Intersex does not imply that there are more than 2 sexes, it implies that sex is a spectrum and they can and do fall anywhere on that spectrum from female, to ambiguous/both, to male.

@yarra @a7

@freemo @Agni @yarra what is the others outside male, female and intersex(intersex BTW is referencing male and female)

@a7

Huh, what do you mean others.. thats like saying "warm doesnt exist because there is only cold and hot".. there arent others, it is a spectrum, there are people who are not clearly one or the other, there are people with both, there are people who are strongly female or strongly male.

@Agni @yarra

@freemo @Agni @yarra I’m asking what they are not making a statement on their existence what other sex are there other than intersex(which is referencing male and female so kinda bigotted!!!!), male and female. Name the other.

@a7 @freemo @Agni @yarra

@georgia

Thats actually not that far off from the science... though usually more like testical, ovotestis, ovaries. It is the gonads that exist on a spectrum more so than the gametes, though there are also abnormalities in gametes.

@Agni @yarra @a7

@freemo @Agni @yarra @a7 ovotestis aren't a spectrum. they're a combination of ovarian and testicular tissue. and gametic anomalies does not a third sex make.

@georgia

Who said anything about a third sex? I have pointed out several times its not about there being a third sex, its about there not being 2 discrete sexes but rather a continuous spectrum of sexes between 2 extremes.

Likewise the existance of ovotestis **is** a spectrum, and I linked a scientific paper that even goes into the expectrum of the ovotestis and one way on measure wear on the spectrum a particular person's ovotestis happen to be.

This should be obvious as it has tissue with properties of each end of the spectrum and can develop closer to one end or the other to any degree at all on that spectrum.

@Agni @yarra @a7

@freemo @Agni @yarra @a7 sex is a binary. the difference between asexual and sexual reproduction is reproduction by two unalike organisms--anisogamy. male and female. i think what you're saying is human dimorphic sex features, and in the case of ovotestis human gonads, very occasionally exhibit features of both dyadic sexes, but such edge cases usually end up being infertile. if what you're saying is "disorders of sex development exist, pheno and genotypic anomalies exist" then no one disagrees. it ultimately boils down to a semantic argument of what "sex" and "spectrum" mean. which is no fun.

@georgia

No your confusing the act of sex, with the sex of the organism engaging in it.. The act of sex does not define the sex of the organism engaged in it.. your trying to warp the actual science behind how animals are sexed with your own biases, and it doesnt match the reality.

Infertile women, for example are still women, they can not produce children, have no gametes to speak of, but are women because, quite simply, sex is not determines strictly by your gametes but by a whole list of features. Those features are not an "all or nothing" deal and thus sex, while generally favoring one end of the spectrum or the other, is still quite clearly on a spectrum.

@Agni @yarra @a7

@freemo @Agni @yarra @a7
dude sex literally refers to gametes. that's why female is defined as "of or related to the sex that produces eggs" and likewise male with sperm.

also "infertile women have no gametes to speak of" bro are you for real

"infertile people exist" is a babby-tier gotcha

@georgia

looks like someone needs to open up a medical dictionary. They are defined by their reproductive organs and the function (expression) of their genetics, which entails a rather long complicated list of what constitutes function in any one species.

You will never find any medical dictionary defining sex **solely** on the basis of gametes, in fact you likely wont even find the word games in the definition in most medical dictionaries.

One sec let me get mind and find their exact wording.

@Agni @yarra @a7