๐ณ๐ฑ
Just wanted to share a little chart showing the likely effect of the mass BLM protests over George floyd compared to the COVID-19 recorded new cases count.
To be clear, I think Floyd's death was an injustice and I support the idea of opposing it at every level. But it was the number one biggest factor that caused the COVID epidemic to resurge out of control and we never recovered from the surge seen during the protest and even now this new surge we are seeing is partially fueled by the effects of those protests.
The irony here is the left have been the most vocal about COVID and blamed Trump for not seeing enough success in battling it as a central point in their entire presidential debate... yet they are also the ones who caused more loss of life and a more prolific spread of the diseases than anyone else when it served their agenda, and had the gall to try to blame that on Trump or republicans.
After seeing months of liberals abusing old ladies grocery shopping without a mask on and the like it is pretty disgusting, though typical, to see they are also the ones who caused more a problem than anyone else.
@VarnaNecropolis You'd be surprised how someone borderlining OD (of which many survive) are a hell of a lot quicker and more likely to die when you strangle them.
Thats like saying "Hey its cool your strangled that cancer patient with asthma to death, he was already on the verge of dying so you strangling him doesnt even count!"
Sorry doesnt work that way, if you strangle someone you've already failed regardless of any results that strangulation may have.
All that said, your "evidence" regarding drugs in his system at lethal doses has been debunked (he had drugs in his system, but not even approaching the levels you suggest in the lab reports).. but this is moot as the officer strangling someone is just as guilty if the person was of poor health or not, in fact **more** guilty for strangling someone who was near death if that were the case.
@VarnaNecropolis You used the word stranglation not me.
I am refering to the **video** of him sitting on the guys kneck and chest as he says he cant breath.. very obvious strangulation.
As for the lab report, I actually already shared that, it might be in this thread somewhere, ill search for it again.
@VarnaNecropolis While I look for it please be sure to share **your** lab report (from an actual lab, not some bullshit website) that shows the exact numbers you stated as well, since your the one making the claim. Thanks.
Ok found the original lab report, again, and surprise surprise, you are utterly wrong.
The report states the serum (blood) concentration of fentanyl was 11 ng/ml, the typical doctor prescribed dosage for pain results in a blood serum level of 10 - 20 ng/ml. Meaning not only was he no where near the ridiculous claim of a 3x lethal dosage of fentanyl he wasn't even near a 1x lethal dosage, in fact he was on the **low end** of a regular doctor prescribed dosage.
Full exert from the report:
VI. Toxicology (see attached report for full details; testing
performed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at
9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine)
A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:
1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
@VarnaNecropolis When the official dosage of fentanyl is twice the level found in his blood, and a second autopsy agreed with what i said, really not much point being made here. None of that changes the fact that he was strangled and died, at best the drugs made him an easier person to kill, which is all the more reason the cops actions were uncalled for , so as I said in the lead in, the autopsy is moot, he was suffocated and if drugs made it easier to kill him by suffocation doesnt in anyway obsolve the police, in fact it makes it more damning.
Huh? Yea of course he did, obviously did. So far no court has ruled to agree with you either..
The case is literally not closed (trial hasnt even begun yet).
็ฆ็ฅ้พ 
Nope. You're wrong. He used normal force, under normal circumstances.
You're wrong, and the case will be dismissed.
No the phase for dismisal is over, it has already **not** been dismissed and a full trial has already been approved and scheduled.
So you are defacto wrong.
Nope it literally goes to a full blown court trial in just 4 more days. So pretty sure ill be proven right that it will in fact not get dismissed, ill be provben right in only 4 days (once a full blown trial begins it would have proven i am correct and wasnt dismissed).
In the context you just interjected the other person claimed "it will be dismissed"... which is what I claimed was wrong.. so even if it goes to trial at all it has proved that it was not and wont be dismissed and thus I am proven correct...
A Motion to Dismissed is entered and decided on during a preliminary hearing. Case Dismissed is what concludes a criminal trial with a verdict of not guilty.
The case will be dismissed because he will be found not guilty.
Again, you're wrong.
then we shall see. I dont have much confidence in the court system so that is possible. They certainly tend to let murdering cops off, so its possible.
And you were wrong.. funny, you dont have the best track record when you say im wrong. Might want to rethink your confidence in your opinions when you say that :)
Believe it or not, I was actually going to message you to give you credit, but damn if your arrogance didn't sap any respect you were due.
Seems like you aren't interesting in being right, just others being insecure in their own beliefs? Textbook sociopathic behavior, bro.
LOL ok buddy.. and yes I want people to be critical of their beleifs so they can be more rational. When you have high confidence in things and are often wrong yes you should have less confidence and be more humble.. something you dont seem to be capable of.
Irony meter going crazy right now. No body likes being wrong, most people don't like having been wrong rubbed in their face.
You, rubbing it in my face and ranting about humility is all anyone needs to know about your sense of rational.
You're right, I overestimated the unbiased nature of legal justice.
Maybe if you werent so often an arrogant asshole I'd have treated you better.. but you didnt so I dont, you need some humility, and clearly you wont ever get it.
With your track record of being wrong any other accusations you make loose any weight.
You don't want humility, you want submission to your superior intellect because you're a sociopath.
See? You want my being wrong about the outcome a single event to imply future incorrect predictions or estimations. Not only is that a logical fallacy, but an excellent representation of a dark triad trait prevalent among sociopathic and psychopathic people.
Something tells me you don't believe in science, since it's mostly about being wrong, you just believe in whatever will most likely make you look right.
Homie, you're vindictive. It's that simple. I'm OK with being wrong. You're not OK with me being fine with it, you want me to be humiliated.
That's sociopathic and pathetic.
Nope. I wouldnt mind if you had an opinion and were wrong. but you stated it as undeniable fact, that is the issue. It was how you presented yourself and usually do, you have no doubt in your own obviously doubtful assertions.
Interesting. You really should go back and look at how you post. Because I framed how I posted in that thread based on how you post.
I just used wrong instead of incorrect. What you're seeing is what you do to others - maybe that's what you're really noticing and what made you so upset, your own arrogance reflected back at you.
@anon00110
I mean if you look the thread literally ended with you asserting your absolute certainty and me saying i think your wrong but a chance you coukd be right... Soooooo
@VarnaNecropolis
The image you just posted does not confirm what you just said.
Here is an exact quote from a medical source:
"The estimated lethal dose of fentanyl in humans is 2 mg. The recommended serum concentration for analgesia is 1โ2 ng/ml and for anaesthesia it is 10โ20 ng/ml."
Clearly showing that 11 ng/ml is within the lower side of the normal dosage administered.
-- source: emcdda drug profile for fentanyl.
associated with fatalaities != fatal
The point here is that a person who takes that dosage stands a good chance of surviving and is at the lower end of dosage... with enough additional factors (like being strangled) yes they can die.
You still seem to be intentionally ignoring the most important point... he.. was... suffocated... killing someone in a weakened state is in no way going to get someone off the hook for killing someone.. They suffocated the man, anything els eis a pointless addon as I stated from the get-go
@VarnaNecropolis Sorry for clarity I should have said suffocated, not strangled, personally i would still call it strangalation even though he used his knees other than his hands, but whatever.
As for 0 evidence.. there is literally video of him on the floor being suffocated/strangled by the officers knee on his kneck as he says " I cant breath"...
I wouldnt call that 0 evidence, I'd call it obvious proof he he was suffocated/strangled.
@VarnaNecropolis The mental gymnastics your going through is amazing.. Three officers were all laying down on his chest as he says he cant breath, and moments later he is dead.... you think the fact that he was claiming he was having breathing problems even before being suffocated somehow makes that not suffocation?
Dude I dont know what your smokin but thats some shit.. Have fun with that delusion but we all saw his moment of death, and its a pretty fucked up delusion to think the man wasnt suffocated.
I mean for fucks sake even after he had died and went completely limp the officer staid kneeling on his chest and throat for some time... there is absolutely no way you can interpret it as anything other than suffocation.
https://youtu.be/oCb8gFRrJU0?t=79
You can see here floyd dies/passes out and even while unconscious from suffocation the officer continues to strangle him with his knee.
As a bonus you have an actual doctor explaining how this would be fatal even under normal situations.
@VarnaNecropolis Jesus christ man you really are desperate for that confirmation bias your after... No the doctor didnt issue cause of death, they did explain however that it **could** cause death. The point here being 1) it is very obviously and undeniably strangulation (regardless of what other causes are at play) and 2) that makes it wrong, period..
Do you realize the level of stupidity your even arguing for or are you too far gone.. this dude is literally strangled, says he cant breath, goes unconscious and **continues** to be strangled while completely unreponsive, all caught on video and undeniable.. regardless of any technicalities as to if other causes were at play that made it easier for him to die or not, he WAS strangled and was strangled for several minutes after his was unresponsive, that is on video and undeniable.
But your seriously sitting here arguing some herp-derp nonsense about drugs in his system or that there is zero proof of him being strangled... seriously its a level of stupid I dont have any more time to waste on.
@VarnaNecropolis No you are stupid because even though I just explained why you were stupid you said something completely different and not even related (proving you cant even follow a conversation)... that on top of why i already said you were stupid (you literally have video of a guy being strangled, going unconscious and see strangulation continue for some time after and then go "herp-derp there no proof he strangled".
@VarnaNecropolis The fact that he was restrained by being strangled doesnt change the fact that he is strangled.. and no your not stupid for disagreeing with me, your stupid for making up a fictional reality that disagrees with what is obviously and clearly recorded on video for everyone to see.
I'm sure you do think im a liar and sociopath, you are completely out of touch with reality, you probably think a lot of things.
@VarnaNecropolis I never said it was safe.. your claim was "2x-3x the lethal does".. so please stop trying to deflect.. it was literally on the low end of doctor administered doses (as I stated)... that is not the same as saying 2x-3x the lethal dose, it isnt even 1x the lethal dose (which is defined at the LD50 which is well about twice what was in his system)....
I never said it was a safe dose, thats your fiction, but it very clearly is not 2x 3x the lethal dose, or even 1x.
Did Derek Chauvin break the law? Through unorthodox or unnecessary physical force?
Nope.
Case, closed.