Just wanted to share a little chart showing the likely effect of the mass BLM protests over George floyd compared to the COVID-19 recorded new cases count.

To be clear, I think Floyd's death was an injustice and I support the idea of opposing it at every level. But it was the number one biggest factor that caused the COVID epidemic to resurge out of control and we never recovered from the surge seen during the protest and even now this new surge we are seeing is partially fueled by the effects of those protests.

The irony here is the left have been the most vocal about COVID and blamed Trump for not seeing enough success in battling it as a central point in their entire presidential debate... yet they are also the ones who caused more loss of life and a more prolific spread of the diseases than anyone else when it served their agenda, and had the gall to try to blame that on Trump or republicans.

After seeing months of liberals abusing old ladies grocery shopping without a mask on and the like it is pretty disgusting, though typical, to see they are also the ones who caused more a problem than anyone else.

#COVID #COVID19 #Corona #Coronavirus #BLM #Protest @Science

@freemo what do you think about Floyd have 3 times the average lethal dosage of Fentanyl in his system, edemas lungs, and no burst petechiae? Pretty obvious based on all that that he died of an OD, not suffocation/strangulation. Because you clearly have a scientific mind I assume you're saying it's an injustice the way the other 100s of thousands of opioid deaths in the US are (especially with the Sackler family getting away with mass murder).

@VarnaNecropolis You'd be surprised how someone borderlining OD (of which many survive) are a hell of a lot quicker and more likely to die when you strangle them.

Thats like saying "Hey its cool your strangled that cancer patient with asthma to death, he was already on the verge of dying so you strangling him doesnt even count!"

Sorry doesnt work that way, if you strangle someone you've already failed regardless of any results that strangulation may have.

All that said, your "evidence" regarding drugs in his system at lethal doses has been debunked (he had drugs in his system, but not even approaching the levels you suggest in the lab reports).. but this is moot as the officer strangling someone is just as guilty if the person was of poor health or not, in fact **more** guilty for strangling someone who was near death if that were the case.

@freemo please share lab reports debunking the opioid levels. Also no physical evidence or video evidence of strangling.

@VarnaNecropolis You used the word stranglation not me.

I am refering to the **video** of him sitting on the guys kneck and chest as he says he cant breath.. very obvious strangulation.

As for the lab report, I actually already shared that, it might be in this thread somewhere, ill search for it again.

@VarnaNecropolis While I look for it please be sure to share **your** lab report (from an actual lab, not some bullshit website) that shows the exact numbers you stated as well, since your the one making the claim. Thanks.

@VarnaNecropolis

Ok found the original lab report, again, and surprise surprise, you are utterly wrong.

The report states the serum (blood) concentration of fentanyl was 11 ng/ml, the typical doctor prescribed dosage for pain results in a blood serum level of 10 - 20 ng/ml. Meaning not only was he no where near the ridiculous claim of a 3x lethal dosage of fentanyl he wasn't even near a 1x lethal dosage, in fact he was on the **low end** of a regular doctor prescribed dosage.

Full exert from the report:

VI. Toxicology (see attached report for full details; testing
performed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at
9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine)

A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:

1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL

@freemo that is a lethal dose as confirmed by the medical examiner.

@VarnaNecropolis When the official dosage of fentanyl is twice the level found in his blood, and a second autopsy agreed with what i said, really not much point being made here. None of that changes the fact that he was strangled and died, at best the drugs made him an easier person to kill, which is all the more reason the cops actions were uncalled for , so as I said in the lead in, the autopsy is moot, he was suffocated and if drugs made it easier to kill him by suffocation doesnt in anyway obsolve the police, in fact it makes it more damning.

@freemo you're wrong about official dosage. Multiple reports can be found stating therapeutic levels are .6 to 3.0 ng/ml and that 9.5 to 11 ng/ml is fatal. If you're a doctor I fear for your patients. Also he had over 5 ng/ml norfentantyl in his system which is the metabolized state of Fentanyl, so his actual levels were even higher than 11 ng/ml. Also, ruptured petechiae is a necessary physical finding for death by strangulation and that appears nowhere in the autopsy. Why are you willing to be honest about the role the riots played in the the COVID spike but not what really killed flood?

@VarnaNecropolis

The image you just posted does not confirm what you just said.

Here is an exact quote from a medical source:

"The estimated lethal dose of fentanyl in humans is 2 mg. The recommended serum concentration for analgesia is 1–2 ng/ml and for anaesthesia it is 10–20 ng/ml."

Clearly showing that 11 ng/ml is within the lower side of the normal dosage administered.

-- source: emcdda drug profile for fentanyl.

@freemo the very next sentence after what you quoted from that source is, "Blood concentration of approximately 7 ng/ml or greater have been associated with fatalities where poly-substance use was involved." Also, what's recommended for anesthesia means what's recommended when a team of doctors are going to cut you open and need you unconscious. Using anesthesia levels of drugs in a non surgical setting with doctors making sure you don't die would be fatal 100% of the time. Again, why won't you be honest about this?

@VarnaNecropolis

associated with fatalaities != fatal

The point here is that a person who takes that dosage stands a good chance of surviving and is at the lower end of dosage... with enough additional factors (like being strangled) yes they can die.

You still seem to be intentionally ignoring the most important point... he.. was... suffocated... killing someone in a weakened state is in no way going to get someone off the hook for killing someone.. They suffocated the man, anything els eis a pointless addon as I stated from the get-go

@freemo you are ignoring there is zero evidence he was strangled and his lungs were 2 to 3 time normal weight which is a sign of drug overdose. Also, 11ng/ml fentanyl and 5 ng/ml norfentantyl is not near the lower end of a normal therapeutic dosage. Anesthesia levels of dosage are fatal outside a surgical setting so comparing it to that is ridiculous.

@VarnaNecropolis Sorry for clarity I should have said suffocated, not strangled, personally i would still call it strangalation even though he used his knees other than his hands, but whatever.

As for 0 evidence.. there is literally video of him on the floor being suffocated/strangled by the officers knee on his kneck as he says " I cant breath"...

I wouldnt call that 0 evidence, I'd call it obvious proof he he was suffocated/strangled.

@freemo he was saying he couldn't breath before they even put him in the cop car, there's video evidence of that. Also, if you obstruct someone's windpipe they can't say anything at all (that's why they have the international hand signal for chocking). The reason he felt like he couldn't breath was his lung tissue becoming edemas from the he fatal levels of fentanyl in his system.

@VarnaNecropolis The mental gymnastics your going through is amazing.. Three officers were all laying down on his chest as he says he cant breath, and moments later he is dead.... you think the fact that he was claiming he was having breathing problems even before being suffocated somehow makes that not suffocation?

Dude I dont know what your smokin but thats some shit.. Have fun with that delusion but we all saw his moment of death, and its a pretty fucked up delusion to think the man wasnt suffocated.

I mean for fucks sake even after he had died and went completely limp the officer staid kneeling on his chest and throat for some time... there is absolutely no way you can interpret it as anything other than suffocation.