https://twitter.com/MaggieEThornton/status/1380652509405003776
@Coyote you’re doing good work🤣 I’d join you but I’m permanently suspended from Twitter. Every time I open the app there is this big banner that says “Welcome Back” but I can’t tweet and they zero’d out my followers and followed accounts.
It's just confronting fools with their own stupidity. When both had "PhD" next to their names, and can't support a single scientific claim, it mostly says our educational system is garbage. But we all knew that... 😂
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@madmike @freemo @Coyote Yes you are right #hcqworks don't listen to scummo he is corrupt academic morally defunct, with god complex, works for government pathological liar as caught many times, just a human garbage that will pay at the end of scamdemic. Covid19 doesn't exist. Virus doesn't exist.
And if scummo says otherwise he can collect free money here https://samueleckert.net/isolat-truth-fund/ he won't because he is simply a liar.
I would almost agree with you but not to that extent.
First off we agree its real, and yea, you have to be clueless not to know the evidence shows its real.
As for how severe it is.. well its not the flu, it **is** worse than the flu. But its also not as bad as people and media will make you feel it is. Many worse diseases by many orders of magnitude have come and gone in the lifetime of the living generations.
If we had to put a number on it based on objective numbers and not "the sky is falling" nonsense I'd say its about 10x worse than the flu in terms of being more deadly by a reasonable but not huge margin, as well as being more capable of causing long term injury... 10x is a lot and enough to take it seriously.. but its not the end of the world either.
The link you gave and associated image is just showing you **overall** deaths, and is limited specifically to sweden and no where.
You have to keep in mind first off it were as bad as the flu you wouldnt have that bump that is **twice** the natural background rate of **deaths** which is very significant when you talk about overall deaths. Next you also have to keep in mind you cant simply compare death tolls of diseases from 30 - 100+ years ago to now. Technology and medicine has advanced and we can handle diseases better now than before. But finally, sweden didnt have a lockdown but they did have strict social distancing and the general population was very mindful and did their part in that regard, something you didnt really see in past diseases.
So a direct comparison is very misleading, and even if you take that chart at face value it still suggests COVID ius many times worse than the common flu.
Yes, the point was, ALL deaths, by week, plotted. Makes excess morbidity stick out like a sore thumb. And, Covid didn't blip as hard as some recent flus have.
The point isn't that it proves or disproves Covid caused it, or anything remotely of the sort. The point is, that's the exact data set we all should be looking at for the USA. And with that perspective, I'd like to re-frame the discussions. But no one want's to re-frame anything when they can power grab in a panic, why look at it with "realistic perspective."
Right but what im saying is how hard of a blip you see is not a measure of the seriousness of the disease.
In 1993 we didnt undergo lockdown, significant social distancing, or mask wearing. During covid we did. Ergo even if they were exactly the same severity covid would show up as a smaller blip. So its not an objective measure of the lethality of the virus, only a measure of the consequences sweden faced for their particular way of handing the virus.
Also keep in mind while you can say "COVID is as bad as certain unusually lethal varients of the flu" and that would not be incorrect, you cant make the statement "COVID is as bad as the flu" which implies your talking about the common strain of the flu, and not new novel strains.
"what im saying is how hard of a blip you see is not a measure of the seriousness of the disease."
Yes, long term effects are more likely with Covid, I am aware, anecdotally through my own experience. (could be bias, I'm older now than with previous flu's, for example).
I totally agree, you are going into the details of where the discussion SHOULD go. However, I'm also a bit experienced with teaching science, and sometimes gross oversimplifications are necessary to get someone looking at a scientific issue/structure from the right direction, before you go off into the weeds about the details (this, is the discussion BEFORE masks and vaccines, that should have happened on the global political landscape).
But a comparison to the flu, is not accurate, but useful tool to teach the "what's happening" impact in one viewpoint, and then drill down to the other details of fear. Not lead with the fear, ya know? I don't know, I'm a troll...
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Thats all fine. The only problem with comparing it to a flu is that it gives the impression that COVID is not particularly novel and serious.. it is serious, just not to the levels of exageration the media makes you think but it is serious. So I think comparing it to the flu maybe be exagerating it too far in the other direction and making it sound far more benign than it really is, which has just as many dangers as trying to play it off as worse than it is.
I favor the "don't trample on my rights" approach, which requires telling Karen, "hey, look at it this way for 1 second, see there's something going on that doesn't match your level of hysteria that is real, and let's talk rationally for a second."
You're not Karen. She's out there. I want to start talking to her. Rationally.
you probably cant have a rational conversation with karen either way.. but you stand a much more reasonable chance of getting a karen to consider your POV if you sell a reasonable middle ground that takes the truthful elements of both sides rather than exaggerating too far in the opposite direction which will just result in you being dismissed for absurdity not just by the karens, but by the few objective people who are walking the middle road.
"much more reasonable chance of getting a karen to consider your POV if you sell a reasonable middle ground that takes the truthful elements of both sides"
Disagree. Simplest model with real data that shows something. That's where you have to start with Karen.
If there is a more simple model, that shows clearly the hystara is rampant, I'm all for it. But for now, that's a very simple model to both grasp, and critique, so I like it as a starting point for discussions.
@Coyote @madmike @freemo since virus was never isolated as linked in wodarg report no one can claim such virus exists no one can make diagnostic tests which indeed is proven as well https://greatgameindia.com/austria-court-pcr-test/
https://humansarefree.com/2021/03/lancet-article-50-75-of-positive-pcr-tests-are-not-infectious-people.html
this is just hysteria you had flu. some people unfortunately die on flu.
The fragments are tied back with statistical models to reassemble the most likely (statistical confidence set very high) re-assembled model of the whole.
It's a series of blasting it apart into fragments (knowing what the very end caps were), amplifying smaller pieces (easier), and then getting good reads of what the pieces are, dumping that data into a computer, crunching away, and out pops the "isolated" thing, and yes, with statistical confidence it existed, but not QUANTITATIVE data, just confirmations of existence.
That's why PCR is NOT useful for saying we have "an epidemic."
It has been isolated but you need to be specific onw hat you truely mean by isolated.. If you truly mean that the virus is the only thing and no plasma, water, or anything else is present, then that would be literally impossible and unnecesary.. if by isolated you mean no other cell organels or significant structures present in the sample such then yes of course it has been.
The point isolation is a completely nonsensical term that has nothing to do with if we can identify if it is there.
If I put a chunk of gold ont he table no matter how pure i try to make it wont be absolutely pure, there will be 0.001% of other stuff, plus the air in the room, plus the oils on its surface.. but you'd be a fool to claim gold doesnt exist simply because you cant make a 100% pure sample of it.
Just as with gold we can isolate viruses more than adequately to identify them.
That's kind of a hand waving way of saying what's happening.
Chemically, they take the sample, isolate DNA (RNA, whatever). Get what reads they can on it, endcaps, size. Then they blast it appart, so they can replicate the fragements at a much faster rate. Then they image it (or other detection) and see what all the fragements are. Then, with data crunch reassemble to the whole, which is only a confirmation of it's existance, and the amplification plays hell with any Quantitiative data, but does not invalidate the qualitative data resulting with a super hi confdence (higher accuracy of qualitative data WAS achieved by SACRIFICING quantitiative data, just how science needs to work sometimes).
Right, I didnt explain the full process, and your right right its rather involved and ultimately requires a few clever steps... but my point is when these anti-germ theory nincompoops come around they always talk about isolation.. in their mind they have this simplistic idea of a vial that has just the virus in it and noting else.. which as you probably know just makes no educated sense of any kind.
The processes you describe (and the details you didnt) all take place in a liquid soup that has a very high concentration of the virus but it isnt absolute pure (it doesnt need to be and that is impractical).. despite not being abolutely pure we can still "isolate" it in the sense of reading its dna and protein and identifying it.
youtube.com/watch?v=JTxvmKHYajQ&list=PL9129996C4B990236
yes, the entire genome has been sequenced. we've had this thread a number of times before. many labs have sequenced the complete genome.
the way modern sequencing technology works, nucleic acids are generally fragmented prior to sequencing. however the fragments are large enough to be unique and can be reassembled in silico with a high degree of confidence, in most cases.
there is a newer sequencing tech called nanopore sequencing that enables sequencing of very long fragments without the usual required fragmentation process of ngs (next gen) short read sequencing
@Moon @madmike @freemo @Coyote
That's a lie.
which part of "never" you don't understand?
https://andrewkaufmanmd.com/sovi/?PageSpeed=noscript&PageSpeed=noscript
collect money here since you isolated it.
https://samueleckert.net/isolat-truth-fund/
I'm not engaging in this, but I may make popcorn. Again though, fucking paywalled content I'd trust, why does anyone just believe shit like this, flat earth, fake moon landing, Biden's under the control of the Q military cell inside DC so trust the plan, covid is a total hoax... Really, at some point, you have to go, maybe some real science out in public hands could help.
The conspiracy theory nonsense is mostly an american thing. American is like a big mental hospital.. everyone is insane, no one thinks their insane, and if you happen to be a sane person in america eventually youll go insane. The end result are people that believe in this garbage. People become delusional when they are surrounded by insanity as its hard to know what reality is anymore.
LOL, I career transitioned with very bad timing and results. But yea, I went from living in a world where I flew around only talking to Ph.D.s and basically hospitality staff (hotels, airlines), and a decent life to... Dun dun dun... Dealing with "people" generally, and going "holy shit this country is in way worse shape than I realized, these people are lucky they can tie their shoes, I didn't realize 'average' IQ people were... so... Well, I was way the fuck off on what I believed "average" really was, not only IQ, but education, my god, these people don't even have basic "order of operation" fundamental understanding for math or logic... We are doomed!!! So... I troll, and ....
isolation can mean several different things in this context- a spit sample can be squenced then the covid sequence isolated computationally by mapping.
the physical virus particles can also be isolated by a wet lab process that involves separation and purification of a sample, and potentially culturing the virus in a cell culture.
this may not have been done yet- but sequencing and isolating the virus genome has
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What, no he didnt, he didnt even go to jail. He settled out of court that if he returned the data he was free, and he did.
On September 12, 2012, federal prosecutors filed a superseding indictment adding nine more felony counts, which increased Swartz's maximum criminal exposure to 50 years of imprisonment and $1 million in fines.[15][95][96] During plea negotiations with Swartz's attorneys, the prosecutors offered to recommend a sentence of six months in a low-security prison, if Swartz would plead guilty to 13 federal crimes. Swartz and his lead attorney rejected that deal, opting instead for a trial in which prosecutors would have been forced to justify their pursuit of Swartz.[97][98]
The federal prosecution involved what was characterized by numerous critics (such as former Nixon White House counsel John Dean) as an "overcharging" 13-count indictment and "overzealous," "Nixonian" prosecution for alleged computer crimes, brought by then U.S. Attorney for Massachusetts Carmen Ortiz.[99]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz
Never mind i was partly wrong. I just rechecked and on his dirt attempt he was given a free pass and set free on settlement, though it appears he did it a second time and this time they threw the book at him.
What was his search focus the second time? I'm curious. I think I remember, but I don't want to say it... (Global Warming?) Whops...
Keep in mind we arent just talking about someone doing a metastudy here or something. He was literally downloading their **entire** database. By the time they stopped him the second time he had downloaded 3.5 million papers.
Of course he is. I fully support his position. I am just pointing out that despite being morally right he is completely and utterly legally in the wrong.
" he is completely and utterly legally in the wrong. "
Within the context of a corrupt Republic crushed under 245 years of bullshit democratic bullying legislation, yes, legally. System's broke though, just sayin'.
Sure, the law needs to be changed. At a minimum the law should state any studies done with public funding must always be released under open access.
In fact partly as a result of Aaron those changes were in fact implemented in 2013 (though they arent perfect in the way they are written). Any universities or organizations in general that recieve more than 100M$ in grants from the government to fund the research must provide open access to their research. So its a good step forward.
I know it exists, I've had it, still not breathing right. Got it last March, wish I would have got it now, when they know a bit more.
What's real though is, it's a rather small blip, flu sized so far, and I suspect more life-long damage than a typical flu. But still, it's no where near the scale they say it is, and until I see this data from our own country, I'm going to believe this scale is probably a reasonable representation:
https://twitter.com/VoidSurf1/status/1320269542174720000