@yaksha You realize that is only unique to israel and is the result of the fact that such a huge portion of the population that is vulnerable is vaccinated (90%+ of those over 50 years old)..

So this is perfectly normally and in no way suggests a problem. If the majority of the population is vaccinated than the majority of new cases will be vaccinated.

@freemo @yaksha i think the "97% of people in the hospital for covid haven't been vaccinated. please get vaccinated" logic beinf pushed is atrocious because:
1) of course unvaccinated people would get sick more than the vaccinates
2) it kind of implies a lower number (more vaccinated people getting hospitalized) would be better. ie what percentage should it be?

@colonelj

You have to keep in mind the numbers arent likely saying what you think they are.

If 99 out of 100 unvacinated people get infected, but 10 out of 100 vaccinated people get infected, then clearly the vaccination reduces infection.

However even if the above numbers are true if an overwhelming majority of people are vaccinated then you will see **more** people in the hospital with covid that are vaccinated than unvaccinated.

@yaksha

@freemo @yaksha in a world where eveyone is vaccinated, maybe 100%/most of hospitalizations from whatever disease could be only of the vaccinated. but this isn't feasible. even in a world where 90% of people are vaccinated. the unvaccinated would still make up 90+% of the hospitalizations. i hope this make sense. this is my point and I hope it makes sense.

they have to use these large, less meaningful numbers to try and convince people because trying to tell them their actual covid fatality rate (for those 70 and below i think is the range) isn't doing the job.

@colonelj

If 90% of the susceptible population is vaccinated.

The vaccines are about 72% effective overall and 86% effective against severe infection.

Threfore out of 1000 people, assuming everyone is being exposed to the virus, then you'd expect 252 people who were vaccinated to contract covid and only 100 vaccinated people.

In other words with the real world numbers, even with the vaccines being significantly effective, we would see 2.5x **more** people showing up in hospitals that are vaccinated with covid than unvaccinated.

Come on now this isnt complicated stuff!

@yaksha

@freemo @yaksha i'm not saying vaccines don't work or anything of the sort. I'm saying the logic of "the majority of people being hospitalized are the unvaccinated" is not good.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

@colonelj @freemo @yaksha 60% of people hospitalized with COVID in the UK are vaccinated, so either this article is wrong, or there's no correlation between not getting vaccinated and being hospitalized with COVID.