@waltercool there was a workplace story i heard some years ago where someone was mad at the local muslim. he lost his temper and then removed himself from the room (good) but then the muslim decided to follow him in to the office without giving the guy some time to cool down and then uh. yeah. that was dumb. he gets yelled at and then is like "i should file this with HR!" i dun remember if he did or not but i was just thinking "well that's career suicide but go ahead."
you may get the pound of flesh from HR but then literally nobody is ever going to speak to you again
you may get the pound of flesh from HR but then literally nobody is ever going to speak to you again
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Is the fact that he was Muslim relevant at all though? Seems the same anecdote leaving that out would have been just as true and relevant.
@freemo being a brown muslim gives him extra HR oppression credits for his workplace claim.
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Ahh, perhaps, sure. Is there reason to think that was the case here though? Did the guy get reprimanded specifically for being prejudice?
@freemo i don't think i ever found out what happened to the guy. i think the papers just didn't get filed because nothing happened to the other guy either. it's really dumb to persue an angry person trying to disengage from the room.
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@freemo @waltercool the ever looming racism card didn't do as much damage as metoo stuff though. people have basically gotten rid of private offices because of the latter. its possible to defend against a racism claim apparently but a woman can just assassinate your character forever with basically no personal risk to herself.
Me too had its place in the legitimate cases. the problem with everything feminist is they take it too far and do more harm than good despite having good intent.
@freemo @waltercool i didn't trust it. too many cases were old. why did they wait out the statute of limitations and then a decade later when there is no chance of doing any evidence discovery suddenly feel the need to press the case? and to make it worse, everyone proceeds with a guilty until proven guilty mindset.
i saw a handful of these and they had a general pattern of "statute of limitations ago, now that this guy has been promoted, this guy touched me a long time ago and should be punished for it now." and you look in to the case notes and there is often like, zero attempts to resolve the issue for ten years.
in the vic case the woman claims to have been raped but then literally goes back to hang out with her alleged rapist again later that same day and hung out with him alone for several hours. i don't know a single damn woman who gets raped and then willingly goes and hangs out with her rapist two hours later.
i dunno. i would feel better if they were timely. some of them are really just stupid, like the ones where there's video footage proving they were not molested but we still have to sit through the harpies guilty until proven guilty'ing even in the face of literal CCTV proving it never happened
i saw a handful of these and they had a general pattern of "statute of limitations ago, now that this guy has been promoted, this guy touched me a long time ago and should be punished for it now." and you look in to the case notes and there is often like, zero attempts to resolve the issue for ten years.
in the vic case the woman claims to have been raped but then literally goes back to hang out with her alleged rapist again later that same day and hung out with him alone for several hours. i don't know a single damn woman who gets raped and then willingly goes and hangs out with her rapist two hours later.
i dunno. i would feel better if they were timely. some of them are really just stupid, like the ones where there's video footage proving they were not molested but we still have to sit through the harpies guilty until proven guilty'ing even in the face of literal CCTV proving it never happened
@freemo @waltercool basically if projared and alexis kennedy's lives can be completely and thoroughly destroyed by one false claim, and the claimant will never be punished, it's gonna call for a natural inclination to just firewall every female to another department because it's not worth it.
@socjuswiz that is in no way what extraordinary claims means. extraordinary claims refers to events of unfathomably extreme magnitude (lit. claiming a UFO has landed on your lawn.)
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@socjuswiz since we're abusing modern logic theory the null hypothesis is active at all times (no crime has been committed; innocence) because it is the most difficult to prove that someone has never done anything wrong and we give deference to the negative.
this means the claim against an innocent requires evidence.
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this means the claim against an innocent requires evidence.
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@freemo @icedquinn @waltercool It really felt like the story my mother told about after the war... In some districts there was a witch hunt for collaborators with the enemy.
People started accusing people out of fear of getting accused themselves. Go with the crowd, because you don't want to act suspicious.
People started accusing people out of fear of getting accused themselves. Go with the crowd, because you don't want to act suspicious.
As per Occam's Razor, when a woman accuses a man of having sexually harassed her, the most straightforward and therefore most likely explanation is that he did indeed sexually harass her.
The consideration that she's lying requires further explanation as to why she would have done that.
Extraordinary claims (such as "she's lying about sexual harassment to get him in trouble") require extraordinary evidence.
The same goes for any other kind of claim of harassment, such as racist or homophobic harassment.