@zleap

When vaccines work they are usually great at stopping the spread. For the original strain of covid, for example, it both stopped symptoms **and** stopped the spread.

The new variants however (such as delta, the most prevalent one, and omicron) it is either completely in effective or significantly less effective (hard to draw firm conclusions off what studies we have). The point is, its not effective at stopping the spread because the spike protein it encodes for is different in the variants and thus the antibodies are ineffective to a significant degree (if not completely).

@khaosgrille

@zleap

yea masks im not sure about. The data in them are questionable in either direction so we can only speculate about how or if they are effective.

I think if you are very strict in how you use them they probably help, but most people, almost no one, handles mask with the level of rigor needed for them to be effective.

@khaosgrille

@zleap @freemo how would u argue against this study for example https://www.pnas.org/content/118/49/e2110117118?

ofc it is not randomised but it is hard to do that with a pandemic disease

@khaosgrille

If it isnt randomized how does it address the points I made at all?

@zleap

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@khaosgrille

In fact with just a quick read I cant see why you'd think it would address any of the points I listed at all, the study doesnt bring them up or consider any of the points I mentioned in the study so far as I can tell.

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