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Ok so this seems to be most of the people who publicly stated they had interest in developing the "United Federation of Instances". All of you should have gotten the first draft and opinions were heard and discussed.
Today I will be moving the first draft over to git (either git.qoto.org or gitlab.com). From there I will encourage each of you to provide suggestions as to edits there, and raise discussions in issues. This way we will be public and have an open transparent forum that keeps the changes on record.
While public feedback is being debated on the proposal I will begin a rough draft on the complete by laws (which will try to represent the broader points in the proposal document). That too will be on gitlab and open to discussion
From there as the movement grows we can begin discussing launching it.
I suggest all communication on the fediverse about this use the #UFI hashtag so it is easily searchable.
Since this is a public post I will now share the link to the early draft here, please keep in mind everything here is open for discussion so if anyone doesnt like the current direction, please speak up, we want you to be heard.
https://jeffreyfreeman.me/files/united_federation_of_instances_proposal.pdf
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@freemo i don't have post size to include mentions. I realize I may have controversial opinions, but will try to elaborate.
CoC: I have always found this a dubious beast. Somehow it feels like the right idea expressed badly. So my 2 cents:
1) why not mention humane treatment (UDHR) and emphasize that freedom of expression+opinion does not mean you are allowed to be infinitely cruel in doing so.
2) is tricky, because every situation is context-dependent. Instead of "hunting down" [..]
@freemo a previously misbehaving person, let their own repeated misbehavior unveil them. What if you discover a person had 3 accounts and 2 accounts exhibited acceptable behavior? Again, context matters, circumstances matter. You can always treat a exceptionally problematic case special.
3) I am not sure I understand what that means
4) clear purpose, but seems out of place in CoC. Just for purpose of avoiding spam.
5) not sure how to respond. First thing i did when joining fedi [..]
@freemo [..] was block a shit-ton of military propaganda. So the intent is clear, but not sure how I would phrase this.
Maybe it should be distinguished based on intent/size? Personal opinion vs company/military propaganda? Individual vs collective representation? Voicing opinion vs commercial interest? I don't have an answer, just pointing it out.
In general, I am concerned that in prescribing the larger scope you recreate your walled garden through these rules. Instead [..]
@freemo consider if it is possible to add a section in which you support your members such that it takes the pressure/stress away in case of an individual instance is under pressure. That way you manage yourself as instance and/or UFI without unnecessarily imposing rules on others. In a way, your own case of getting blocked/defederated(?) should mean that UFI alleviates the pressure because the other members are there (unless bad behavior).
@freemo Consider also what it means if instances do not follow prescribed rules outside of UFI. How do you interact with them? Maybe this is obvious but it isn't to me.
In general I think that the idea is far too heavy/elaborate. From what I understand we are talking mainly about individual bad actors.
The larger problem at hand seems to be how to wield the tools at hand for/against whole instances. I am worried that UFI may create a status rather than solve a problem.
@timezoneless We did address that breifly, maybe it needs more emphasis.. but basically an instance outside of the UFI will be treated however eachmember instance wishes to treat it, but it is encouraged no one assume they are bad actors simply for not being in the UFI.
I can't track down the proper message mentioning the hashtag, but it may be useful to make sure UFO Investigators (or some other interesting entity) doesn't already make use of #\UFOI to an extent it would be a problem. I think #UFI would be much less a problem. I wouldn't know. Checking may be useful.
