@Pat @freemo Feeling this way is fine... finding the spot where social control of antisocial behavior morphs into antisocial behaviour itself is the hard and important part.

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>"Feeling this way is fine... finding the spot where social control of antisocial behavior morphs into antisocial behaviour itself is the hard and important part."

I'd use the term "response" rather than "control". For me it depends on the person that is doing bad things. When it's a racist, it's likely something that is a deeply rooted defect in the person and I just don't have the patience (or the skill) to deal with people like that.

To help with the feeling part, sometimes I just think to myself that that person has a mental illness and that's the way it is. But you don't just let them continue to harm others, you need to respond.

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@Pat

Humanity is complicated. I find myself regularly banned from any group of people because when they do the thing they claim only the "other evil bad group" does and I point that out, the group *really* hates that. On this basis, I find the Libertarians trying very, very hard to have me vote straight ticket Democratic Party. I can't stand them. "Hold your nose and vote blue no matter who!" Nah, pass. But the Libertarians insist I vote blue, so what can I do? Just an example, as this seems to be the case with pretty much every group, so long as it has people in it.

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@Romaq

Online communities make it very easy to exclude someone simply with a click of the mouse. IRL it's a little more difficult, although it still happens. It used to be that an "exclusive" community was more highly valued socially -- high society, exclusive clubs, etc. But I think the trend now is moving away from that attitude, mainly because historically the exclusivity criterion was often based on race, sex or disability.

I think banning someone from a group should be a last resort, only after other measures have failed. (The exception being people who are intentionally trying to disrupt and preventing others from freely participating, like with a DOS attack or malware, etc.)

Also, I think that excluding someone for their behavior, for breaking the rules of the group is much different than excluding someone because of who they are, due to something beyond their control. And excluding someone based on their opinions should be avoided.

IRL = in real life

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