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@jaysonmassey and how do we address this in a way that helps address the problem?
@freemo This is a start.
" HB 731 to require that guns be stored safely in the home to prevent school shootings, youth suicide, and unintentional shootings;
- HB 338 to require the reporting of lost and stolen firearms to cut the number of illegal guns fueling violence in our communities;
- HB 1018 to create Extreme Risk Protection Orders to prevent firearm suicides, mass shootings, and domestic violence;
- HB 714 to enact universal background checks so that weapons of war don't end up in the wrong hands."
@jaysonmassey hb 731 doesnt do what you suggest. It just is a bill that would cause all long rifles to include a trigger lock with sale. So while im not opposed to a proper solution requiring safe storage this bill sadly isnt it.
Hb338 is ok, in theory, but with only a 500$ fine im not sure it really addresses the issue much. But its a start i woukdnt object to it as is.
Hb1080 absolutely not and is IMO a gross violation. Bodily autonomy is a sacred right and that includes suicide. If someone wants to kill themselves they should have that right and the means to potential suicide should not be legally restricted. We shoukd try to provide mental health access and help prevent suicide but in the end everyone has the right to do with their body what they wish.
Hb714 is kinda moot but i have no objections. It only requires long rifle background checks now on private sales. I can support this but its not going to have a huge impact and certainly not going to solve the problems.
These are exactly thr no-real-good but feels good nonsense i come to expect honestly. We could be enacting actual hugely impactful policies like free access to mental health and make some real change. Instead thry want you to have to buy a 10$ trigger lock you can bypass in about 5 minutes and probably wont even get used.
@freemo It's "common sense gun control" and not what I would do. I would do what Japan did. That will take a giant effort, and takes small steps at first.
"In 2018, Japan, a country of 125 million people, only reported nine deaths from firearms – compared with 39,740 that year in the United States, according to data compiled by the Sydney School of Public Health at the University of Sydney."
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/asia/japan-gun-laws-abe-shooting-intl-hnk/index.html
@jaysonmassey I wouldnt even describe it as common sense gun control.
They are measures trying to address perceived problems that have little or not impact on the results. I dont object to thrm largely because they do almost nothing in most cases. Only reason i might oject to them is simply being a waste of money to implement regulations that are likely to be 0 impact.
It is common to what the democrats do, pass laws that make people feel like they are addressing the problem when in reality their just putting on a show.
> "In 2018, Japan, a country of 125 million people, only reported nine deaths from firearms – compared with 39,740 that year in the United States, according to data compiled by the Sydney School of Public Health at the University of Sydney."
This statement seems random and unrelated to the topic. I mean deaths from vaccines are near 0 in countries that makes vaccines illegal too. So not sure whats trying to be said here but the way its frames seems fishy.
@freemo It's difficult to enact this Japanese solution b/c school kids are being slaughtered and no action is being taken. It's a matter of political will AND donor focus. If the big donors and PACs and dark PACs all decided to enact the Japanese solution, that would make a huge difference.
@jaysonmassey what japanese solution? Ba ing guns woukd sig ificantly reduce gun deaths... but also significantly increase stabbings, viokent acts, rape, and other non gun deaths. So describing that as a solution isnt accurate.
@freemo Simply put, it's WAY easier to kill someone with a gun than a knife, that's why there are so many acts of gun violence in America.
If that means mentally ill people do other things, that's something that might happen. That doesn't mean you do nothing.
@jaysonmassey yes its easier to kill someone witb a gun than a knife, but there are also far more easily accessible ways to kill people more effective than a knife.
5 minutes at a super market and you can get the ingredients for a poison or bomb, both of which kill en mass easier than a gun. So the whole argument falls apart lretty fast.
It also ignores the more important aspect. As a power equalizer it means a woman with a gun is far more likely to defend herself from rape or murder than a woman with a knife. So clearly it can just as easily act to **save** live as it can to take them. This is why your argument in that aspect is equivelant to the antivaxxer argument. It ignores the big picture.
@freemo I thought we were talking about guns. So, I'm going to continue to talk about guns.
People don't need guns and shouldn't have easy access to them. Japan does not have a citizenry with access to guns, therefore, they do not have much gun violence. It's a simple argument.
@jaysonmassey We are talking about guns, and specifically how gun policies like japans do more harm than good in thr big picture.
@freemo That's what YOU'RE talking about.
@jaysonmassey yes i am talking about guns. You are welcome not to talk about guns, or the topic if thats what you want. Just dont play it off like im not over here talking about guns too, you didnt like talking about guns that addresses the whole picture, and you want to exit the convo, thats fine, but do t play it like its because im not talki g about guns, whicb simply isnt true.
@freemo I was at the PA House Judicial Committee hearings. I was at the March For Our Lives in March. I talk to elected officials about this stuff. State officials. Philadelphia officials. I am actually an advocate.
You don't have to agree with me, but twisting things around isn't cool. I've already summarized what my argument, I'm not doing it again, just go back and read it.
Actually read it. Please don't just start typing. Read what I wrote. It's not much.
I'm not going back line-to-line refuting your argument because I HAVE LITERALLY JUST LISTENED TO PEOPLE TALK FOR TWO HOURS USING THESE ARGUMENTS.
@jaysonmassey what arr you talking about, no one asked you to explain anything. You are welcome to debate if you want, you also dont have to... but everything you wrote was **actually** read. If you feel something was twisted feel free to speak up but i dont see anything you said getting twisted.
@freemo That's the problem. I already straightened it out. YOU still don't have it straight, and I have said what to do about it. That's it. I'm not going to repeat myself. There's no need. I said what I said and summarized it. Enjoy your day.
@jaysonmassey then dont thats fine. No need for you to get antagonistic. Just walk away if you dont want to talk.
This is because USA's problem is not guns, its problem is that it's a country of fanatics embroiled in all sorts of cold civil wars from political to racial and religious, and the single biggest consumer of illegal drugs in the planet.
You're also unironically citing CNN as a source, which makes me doubt whether yours is a parody account, or just plain braindead.
Also, Japan does not have democrats, which is also a big factor in the lack of mass shootings.
-Government trying to get more control seeing how other countries are getting away with it
-Government being successful in pretty much killing organized crime, leading to a power vacuum currently being filled by unorganized crime that has no opposition, which doesn't have the manpower and organization for grey crimes like smuggling, real state gaming and loan sharking, so they instead go for robbery, rape and small scale extortion against regular civilians.
>Collects protection money: both
>Protects the people paying: yakuza
>Targets unrelated civilians: government
@jaysonmassey All i can say is if i had the ability to finally decide impactful real solutions that woukd have meaningful impact on the problem, none of these bills would be it. They are ok and i dont object, but largely probably wont even change the numbers enough to see it in the data