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It means she now looks closer to what the "average" professional photo looks like.
Huh? What do you mean by "same thing might happen"... how would HR turn a persons picture into a new picture? I think your talking about racial discrimination, sure, and there is plenty of that, but how is that the same as what the AI did?
@freemo @meredithw @Wolven doing with resumes what this AI did with pictures. Do I really need to explain it to you?
We both seem to agree on the racism element, so no need to be rude.
But yes, I dont really follow, explaining would be appreciated. But you dont have to, lets keep it civil thanks.
@freemo @meredithw @Wolven either you can see why systems that score [stereotypically white things] as objectively more professional than [stereotypically Asian things] will make discrimination worse, or you donโt. I donโt think anything I can say will help you understand.
Actually, what you just said now explained it, thank you... Again could have done without the disgraceful attitude, but thanks anyway, I understand what you meant now.
@freemo @theothersimo @meredithw @Wolven The will ask the AI if the person looks professional, and it will only say yes to white people.
Well few things.
There is a big difference between asking if someone is within the range of professionalism vs asking to make an image more professional. When asking to make an image more professional it will naturally make the image as close to the "average" image as possible, this means making it white.
This isnt the same as the AI thinking white is a requirement for professionalism, as there may very well be outliers that are non-white and still considered professional.
What it boils down to is when changing the image it had no idea that clothing and hairstyles (things we can change) should be prefered over eye color or skin color.. So it didnt bother to prioritize
That said if they were to create an AI specifically designed to check professionalism one would hope it would design in the proper considerations that realize these aspects, it wouldnt be hard to do.
@freemo @theothersimo @meredithw @Wolven
You might hope that, but there are already AIs that assess for professionalism, and they don't design in these proper considerations.
Then that is quite concerning.. Can you point me to some links on AI specifically designed for detecting professionalism and any reference to how they dont account for this?
@freemo @theothersimo @meredithw @Wolven
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-com-jobs-automation-insight-idUSKCN1MK08G
https://www.euronews.com/2023/05/29/if-were-not-careful-ai-recruitment-could-institutionalise-discrimination
https://www.forbes.com/sites/madelinehalpert/2022/10/09/ai-powered-job-recruitment-tools-may-not-improve-hiring-diversity-experts-argue/
https://www.newamerica.org/oti/blog/ai-discrimination-in-hiring-and-what-we-can-do-about-it/
And there's a *lot* more where these came from.
@katrinatransfem Thanks so much, I will review.
@katrinatransfem @freemo @theothersimo @meredithw @Wolven
Gonna shout out @maxkasy who has/is publishing excellent papers on this very topic. Check him out!
@freemo @meredithw @Wolven and when HR asks for resumes of qualified professional applicants you think the same thing wonโt happen? At best, youโll get people whose resumes superficially look just like those of current employees, most likely it will reject every non-Anglo-Saxon name.