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I have always been a big supporter of #unions but lately I have been second-guessing that and debating with myself if I might actually change my views to be against unions....
My thinking is simple.. I am a huge supporter of anti-trust laws. Essentially I dont think companies should be allowed to create coalitions with the intention of price-fixing the market. This makes sense to me, companies **must** compete or else they can become too powerful.
If i believe in that logic then I should, by similar logic, be against unions. Unions are effectively large groups of people getting together to carry out price-fixing of their labour.
@freemo I believe union work should be limited to safe work condition and a livable wage.
Corporations could be involved in wage-fixing the labor market in their favor as well.
@voidabyss I dont think clean safe work should have anything to do with unions. The govt should ensure that.
> Corporations could be involved in wage-fixing the labor market in their favor as well.
If they did this would be illegal and against anti-trust laws.
@freemo
>The govt should ensure that
Who sponsor the representative election compagne?
Big govt have been turning a blind eye on big corp for a long time, now I read children are working in meat factories in the US.
https://time.com/6256728/meatpacking-child-labor/
I am not saying that unions are going to fix this kind of problems and some of them are more corrupt then big corps and govt.
Am more pro lean unions that try to fix specific work condition issues.
@voidabyss The more we refuse to address the government and accept half-measure broken hacks like unions simply because the government is useless... the more the problem will persist.
This is the failing of the left side of politics, they refuse to fix things the right way, if at all, and tend to accept half measures that make the problem worse or at least harder to fix.
> It seems to me that reinventing a lean and work condition oriented union is more feasible then “fixing the government”.
No because you still wind up with a broken government that wont represent the best interests of the people and unions will, at best, stem the tide of the damage the government will cause.
> Unions played a major role in the past 60s/70s pushing for work condition reforms that many are enjoying today and especially uplifting the manual labor class from poverty to middle income.
Unions played a role trying to stem the tide of a broken government, no doubt. But they are still a hack to try to compensate for building a government that represents the people and far from a proper solution.
@freemo
Government bureaucracy (largest employer in the economy) represents a reflection of the society ethics morals and decadence.
You can make all the perfect laws, the right intensives and oversight. When a society morals standards decay so the government.
There are usually a small a group of people that understands the social and economic issues, advocating for higher moral values and better standards of living.
You can call those kind of groups a union or what ever social entity they choose to represent themselves.
It's a convection driven group of people advocating for the betterment of society in small increments since the creation of civilization.
@freemo
> The more we refuse to address the government
It seems to me that reinventing a lean and work condition oriented union is more feasible then "fixing the government".
>broken hacks like unions
Unions played a major role in the past 60s/70s pushing for work condition reforms that many are enjoying today and especially uplifting the manual labor class from poverty to middle income.
Today unions are entrenched in politics and bureaucracy sometimes working against the interest of their members.
They push the demands too far and led to bankruptcies and manufacturing offshoring to
Asia.
Am not pro unions in their current form today, but I am not holding my breath on "addressing the government".