Why I don't like #Linux:
Oh, you want to host HTTPS? Install a self-signed certificate into Apache with certbot and Let's Encrypt. (That mumbo jumbo is the easy part, and is the same as Windows. But here's where it takes a turn...)
Oh, you want to install certbot? First, install snapd, a whole other framework for installing dependencies because apparently the one built into the OS isn't good enough.
Oh, snapd is mysteriously failing? Get to google, son.
Oh, Google has enshittified and there are no relevant results? Ahahaha ๐ฉ
So, anyway, apparently the answer was that at one obscure point in the process, I was supposed to type the word "socket" where every other service I've ever installed needed the word "service" and I didn't notice the difference. That's two hours of my life I'm never getting back.
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@LouisIngenthron Except none of that is really needed .. you are talking about a specific way of installing something on a specific distro.. its outdated and not really how most system admins would do it.
For example all my servers run linux. You just use one of the many cool tools like traefik, never touch snap (in most cases youd probably use docker so you dont touch ANY dependencies), you dont even need to do the certs yourself they are obtained all automatically... A full infrastructure is up with a single command.
Even if we talk about the old bare metal way on ubuntu... windows doesnt even have a dependency management system at all like snap or apt. So its hard to see how it is better to have to manually go out and fetch one dependency after another, hope it all works, and deal with convoluted point and clicking GUI to find your way. At least in linux all your dependencies are pulled in in a single go.
@freemo The server was provided by a client, running CentOS 7. All I have is SSH access. So, I had to configure by hand, and snapd is the recommended way to do so by the certbot team for that distro.
Also, fwiw, on Windows, I just downloaded ACME program and ran it. It didn't need any dependencies.
@LouisIngenthron even if the servert was provided by a friend why not just install docker and then bring it all up in a single command? with no dependencies at all.
Personally im not sure why anyone would operate a server outside of a docker-type environment.
@sdgathman @freemo @LouisIngenthron You can have the best of both worlds with Kata Containers.
I am pretty well expiernced with Docker, but there is so much container tech i would love to learn and play with... especially now that docker hub put up barriers to free orgs.
@freemo @sdgathman @LouisIngenthron Indeed. Podman is a great Docker alternative and Kata Containers is a way to run containers in tiny VMs, which is especially great for multi tenant hosts or zero trust environments.
@vwbusguy I think LXM was the one I wanted to play with next... seemed to have some sort of VM thing going but i didnt get too deep
@freemo I'm guessing you mean lxd? That recently had an interesting shake-up, takeover of sorts from Canonical, who owns the trademark. lxc is an alternative container runtime that is a separate project from lxd.
