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Trump knows what heโs doing when he calls his enemies โverminโ in his speeches and online. Heโs dehumanizing them. This has happened to my community twice in my lifetime: once during World War II, and again during the pandemic. It is so dangerous, and Trump knows it. Heโs preparing his base to do things that you canโt do to other humans, only to subhumans. Be warned. Be vigilant.
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@georgetakei To be fair it is no worse than what the left has done to him. They have called him that and worse.
That said I dont particularly mind dehumanizing someone who doesnt act human (compassion towards their fellow man)... So dehumanize away, at worst ill judge you on who you target (as im sure Trump is targeting anyone who doesnt support him it is that aspect that speaks against him for me).
@freemo @georgetakei tolerance and inclusivity isn't just a set of morals, it's also a social contract - Trump and his like aren't entitled to the benefit of compassion and tolerance as he is operating outside that social contract.
@darreninthenet I disagree on the compassion. He is worthy of compassion because without it we are no better than him. He just isnt to be seen as humanized ( a member of society). But compassion should always be universal... Tolarance I agree with you, we dont have to tolerate him.
Freemo is either ignorant or a closet asshole. A number of posts on his page appear to support right wing viewpoints although as subtly as possible.
@RodneyPetersonTalent Oh I have no intention of making it subtle..
I lean left but am decidedly close to center and am more than happy to adopt some right-wing points among my overall left-wing stance.
Points to you though for trying to weapoinize someone having opinions that dont 100% line up wuith yours as if people are trying to hide it, I dont hide it.
Your stance on abortion is a fucking giveaway you piece of shit.
You mean the part where I think all abortions should be free and tax paid? Or we just going to leave that part out?
A giveaway to what? That I have views that arent entierly in line with the left or the right? Yea no shit, im pretty vocal about being a left-leaning centrist... Good work there sherlock.
10 week limit, thatโs the giveaway. Plus you donโt even live in the U.S.
So now not living in the USA means I dont have a right to have opinions on abortion law in wherever I live? Man you are all over the place ya nut job.
And yes the 10 week part, along side the free abortions and pregnancy tests for all, should be a dead giveaway I dont align with the right or left on this issue but instead have an opinion that adopts concerns of both sides... Ya know, exactly what I say I am, a left-leaning centrist....
You keep on truckin though, lol
@mike805 @RodneyPetersonTalent
Agreed its a ethical dehlema where any solution will have some immoral imposition on someone. The only truely moral solution would be incubators.
My focus is to find a solution that minimizes the infringement on both parties.
@freemo @mike805 @RodneyPetersonTalent Forced parenthood is not moral either. A rape victim would be forced to have a child by their rapist.
No they wouldnt, I am not proposing making abortion illegal illegal in this thread.
If you mean in the case where abortion is illegal (unrelated to this thread by thats ok) then yea, you choose to prioritize the rights of the unborn child over the emotional trauma to the mother.. IT is one reason why any extreme on either side isnt a good one.
@deegeese @freemo @RodneyPetersonTalent Yes, it is not moral. Not good for the species either. Rape must have some reproductive value or men wouldn't do it (since it's risky) so forced parenthood from rape will make more rapists.
There is no answer on the abortion issue that will satisfy all moral constraints, so like with war, people are going to have to accept some sort of compromise as to what is permitted.
Also, Taliban attitudes toward women lose elections, as the Rs keep learning.
Rape probably wasnt risky during caveman days.. or i should say, far far less risky. IF your stronger than the woman, without a society whats the risk? Only risk is the woman might kill you, which is a valid risk, but presumably minimal if the man is stronger (or with a group).
Perhaps thats the issue, we evolved that trait back when the risk was low and now that the risk is high our evolution hasnt fully caught up.
@freemo @deegeese @RodneyPetersonTalent Cultures where raiding, conquest, and capturing women were normal things for centuries (like the Middle East) seem pretty rapey.
Civilized places where rape got you hanged, less so.
Where rape was "safe" was during warfare. Within one's own tribe it has always had consequences. The Middle East has had a lot of warfare.
Im not sure that tracks.. Seems like the correlation has more to do with womens rights and when they became defined (if at all) rather than specifically when rape was outlawed.
@freemo @deegeese @RodneyPetersonTalent Both the Soviets and the Japanese gave their soldiers explicit permission to rape during WW2. Other nations punished soldiers for it. There is definitely a cultural divide on whether rape during warfare is ok or not.
@mike805 That probably has less to do with culture and more to do with leadership.
@mike805 @freemo @RodneyPetersonTalent depends when a โpersonโ starts to exist. Ironically in the Bible it is at birth
Thats a complete non point for me and I think it only came up as a question at all to make a vain argument for abortion. While I do support abortion I dont think "when a human exists" is a meaningful or even useful question. The only question to ask is "When does this creature have thought, feelings, and can suffer or have desires" As long as the baby is capable of thought on any level IMO it is wrong.
@freemo @mike805 @RodneyPetersonTalent the other side of the coin is we know for sure the mother is sentient and her health mental and physical looms large in this equation
@DaveFernig @freemo @RodneyPetersonTalent If we take the spiritual evidence (people with pre-birth memories, for example) seriously, the evidence is the soul may be hanging around even before conception, but doesn't permanently "check in" until at least the halfway point.
There are quite a few kids who start talking about "the first time I was in your belly I didn't get born" and the mother had a miscarriage.
Oh you mean thys Bible? The one thatโs full of thousands of lies, inconsistencies, scientific impossibilities, exceedingly cruel acts of a โloving Godโ, and tons of other bullshit documented here verse by verse:
Skepticsannotatedbible.com
โAnd if you do any of those ten things he has a special place full of fire and torture where he will send you forever and ever.
But he loves you.โ
Thank you George Carlin
Fuck you God
@RodneyPetersonTalent @DaveFernig @mike805
I highly doubt he was suggesting their perspective is a good one.
@freemo @RodneyPetersonTalent First thing to acknowledge on abortion is it's not a trivial issue and neither side is obviously wrong.
Pregnancy and abortion is practically the divide by zero error of Western ethics.
Western ethics holds that if you have one person dependent on another, and the responsible person cannot provide, you transfer the responsibility to someone else. You cannot do that with pregnancy.
OTOH the West believes each person owns their own body.
So neither extreme works.