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Trump knows what he’s doing when he calls his enemies “vermin” in his speeches and online. He’s dehumanizing them. This has happened to my community twice in my lifetime: once during World War II, and again during the pandemic. It is so dangerous, and Trump knows it. He’s preparing his base to do things that you can’t do to other humans, only to subhumans. Be warned. Be vigilant.
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@georgetakei To be fair it is no worse than what the left has done to him. They have called him that and worse.
That said I dont particularly mind dehumanizing someone who doesnt act human (compassion towards their fellow man)... So dehumanize away, at worst ill judge you on who you target (as im sure Trump is targeting anyone who doesnt support him it is that aspect that speaks against him for me).
@freemo @georgetakei tolerance and inclusivity isn't just a set of morals, it's also a social contract - Trump and his like aren't entitled to the benefit of compassion and tolerance as he is operating outside that social contract.
@darreninthenet I disagree on the compassion. He is worthy of compassion because without it we are no better than him. He just isnt to be seen as humanized ( a member of society). But compassion should always be universal... Tolarance I agree with you, we dont have to tolerate him.
Freemo is either ignorant or a closet asshole. A number of posts on his page appear to support right wing viewpoints although as subtly as possible.
@RodneyPetersonTalent Oh I have no intention of making it subtle..
I lean left but am decidedly close to center and am more than happy to adopt some right-wing points among my overall left-wing stance.
Points to you though for trying to weapoinize someone having opinions that dont 100% line up wuith yours as if people are trying to hide it, I dont hide it.
@freemo @RodneyPetersonTalent Amazing how choosing your own opinions gets you attacked from both sides, isn't it?
Defining yourself as "right wing" or "left wing" is defining yourself as non-thinking. Both of those positions are self-contradictory and would run off a cliff if given the chance.
Both have some valid points, and a lot of accumulated ideology they have not thought through.
Well said... the people who look for even the slightest subtle hint of a thought on the right as an excuse to attack someone or discredit them proves to e they **are** the problem right now, and not the solution. Toxicity at people who are partly on your side does nothing but to weaken the case for your side to anyone who is on the fence.
This person has certainly done more to increase Trump's vote count than I could ever hope to do.
@freemo @RodneyPetersonTalent Thought policing does seem to be a mostly Left wing phenom. I have read Right side forums and they are much less aggressive about it. They can barely keep blatant trolls out.
Although the Israel/Palestine thing is a humanitarian disaster, the divide within the Left is quite a spectacle. The inability of the Left to admit "their side" did a horrible evil is amazing. Even Greta T is now in trouble over it. Proving she's not really about climate, just wants attention.
I think it may be that the right just doesnt put a priority on keeping trolls out. I guess they feel the free speech is too important a principle. As with most things Im a mix of both, im fine with keeping blatant trolls out but generally feel that we should give more leadway to open discussion than censorship without ignoring either.
What is "their side" when it comes to the left? Israel? From what I've seen the conflict has been divided on the left (some strongly in each camp) so the left doesnt have a clear side... The right however seems to be 100% against Muslims (as their religious hatred always seems to take priority) and with either support or indifference regarding Israel. Largely the right just seems happy they are killing muslims meanwhile the left cant make up its mind about iif jews are a whites or not so they cant decide if they are ok to hate or not.... yea its a shit show.
@freemo @RodneyPetersonTalent The Western Left (with the exception of explicitly Jewish groups) seems pretty anti-Israel right now. And that is driving the Jews out of groups they felt at home in, which may break up the Leftist coalition.
The Left see Israel as colonial occupiers much like the old South Africans. The Holocaust sympathy has pretty much worn off.
Liberal Jewish "tikkun olam" with its "everyone is nice like us" mindset has done as much harm to Israel as to America.
Smell the shit you’re shoveling, asshole.
It doesn’t take a whole lot of empathy to understand exactly why a country constructed like a prison where the fucking Israelis bombed their airport with over a 50% unemployment rate would birth a massive movement of discontent and violent rebellion.
@RodneyPetersonTalent @freemo Oh I've read the history plenty. It's ugly.
(1) when the Zionists were weak and stateless, some of them resorted to terrorism too (King David Hotel anyone?)
(2) when the Palestinians were given citizenship in Jordan, some of them kept provoking the Israelis, triggering reprisals inside Jordan. When Jordan tried to make them stop, they tried to kill the king! The Jordanian army then drove them out, and that's how they ended up in a prison-like state.
Hardly limited to being weak and stateless. The ISraelis have continued to commit war crimes and terrorism repeatidly. They have even been accused as such by multiple agencies and called to court to be held accountable to those war crimes (such as using small children as shields and intentionally punishing civilians in war).. They just refuse to go to court and be tried..
Both sides are terrorists, right now, actively.
@jbschirtzinger @RodneyPetersonTalent @freemo Well the Old Testament deity certainly gave some terrorist type commands. People were engaged in channeling/spirit communication (what they called prophecy) and that has a long history of bringing bad things into this world. Either from the depths of the human mind or from somewhere much worse, depending on your worldview.
@jbschirtzinger @RodneyPetersonTalent @freemo I'm saying "not all spirits are from God" and channeled communication is hazardous. Have read up on it a lot. It's malevolent today, and I am not convinced that there was some time in the past when it was not malevolent.
@jbschirtzinger @RodneyPetersonTalent @freemo There are abundant warnings in both the Old and New Testaments that not everyone who claims to be speaking for God actually is.
When "God says" where did those words come from? Presumably a human prophet. The Bible is pretty good at telling you when an actual supernatural event is claimed.
Treating it as a collection of experiences... humans have been lead around by the nose by prophets, mediums, and spirits. Usually for the worse.
@jbschirtzinger @RodneyPetersonTalent @freemo Well given some of the things that are attributed to God in the O.T. you have to conclude that either (a) yes, God uses terrorism or (b) the people of that era did not bat 1000 in deciding who was and was not speaking for God or (c) the whole prophet phenomenon is not what it looks like.
Given that humans are known to be fallible, and people get misled by cults all the time today, I lean toward B.
@jbschirtzinger @RodneyPetersonTalent @freemo We're probably not going to reach common ground here. My tendency is to start from the present, including the weird and inexplicable stuff (I have read a lot about present day channeling, and I don't like it) and pattern match versus ancient reports to see what fits. That leads to some disturbing conclusions. I like the book "Hungry Ghosts" which investigates this stuff.
If you're taking the OT literally you will end up in a very different place.
The OT is literal in the sense that the Israelis came in and beat the shit out of some Giants and their offspring. This is not big secret, and the archaeological record bears it out. If what you are saying is you don't believe the Bible is a good resource, I can see why you have trouble with "channeling" since your discernment obviously has issues.
@freemo @RodneyPetersonTalent The situation seems to be that most people would just like to live their lives. You have a handful of assholes on both sides that keep stirring things up, getting people killed, and creating hatreds on each side against the other. It's not obvious how you make that stop. Yes there are some radical Zionists that are also a problem. The settlers were removed from Gaza, but in the West Bank the troubles continue.
