Remember the days when tolerance and appreciating new perspectives and differences of opinion were considered a virtue?

Peppridge farms remembers.

@freemo NO BUT DON’T YOU SEE TOLERANCE IS A PARADOX SO YOU HAVE TO BE INTOLERANT

@freemo @realcaseyrollins

2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of two

Tolerance is absolutely a virtue for sufficiently intolerant definitions of tolerant.

@volkris

I am not suggesting you should be tolerant of everything, No one needs to be tolerant of literal Nazis for example. But when everyone and everything that disagrees with you looks like a Nazi.....

@realcaseyrollins

@freemo @volkris I actually disagree with this, depending on what you mean.

When people say “tolerance”, they usually refer to either allowing people to speak, or not barring people from taking office.

Any ideology that bars people from speaking or holding office based on their beliefs alone will bleed into fascism given enough time and power.

Now to be clear, there’s a big difference between tolerance and acceptance. Listening to an idea doesn’t mean you should embrace it. But it’s possible to have enough discernment that you hear someone crazy say something crazy and say “that’s crazy” rather than “why isn’t he in jail yet”.

>Any ideology that bars people from ... holding office based on their beliefs alone will bleed into fascism given enough time and power.
Don't you think a political system that doesn't bar people from holding office who hold fascist beliefs will become fascist faster?
What if they do?
Isn't it better to sacrifice some democracy to gain better protection against genocide and loss of liberty? Because I think life and liberty are definitely more important than democracy.

@Hyolobrika

If such an exchange were actually possible, maybe.

In practice attempting to do so results in a loss of liberty and an increase in the risk. So such an equation does not exist in the world, even if hypothetically if such a thing could exist it sounds appealing.

@volkris @realcaseyrollins

How? I'm talking specifically about barring such people from office, not preventing them from speaking.

@Hyolobrika keep in mind that there is a speech element to barring a person from office if you prevent people from expressing, through voting, their preference for that person.

This is one huge element in the current Trump drama that there's a huge difference between kicking him off a ballot versus letting him take office if elected, but the two issues are being muddled together.

@freemo @realcaseyrollins

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@volkris

Similarly you cant enact fascism as a bid to prevent fascism.

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