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Not sure who needs to hear this... but... honey bees throughout the world are an **invasive** species. They are only native to Europe. Stop trying to save invasive species!
Sorry I should have said :the americas not "the world"... it is native to asia, africa and Europe but not to the americas.
@freemo European humans? ( /S )
We're all invasive to some level? or "They're all invasive to some level"...
@freemo Isn't it kind of that "We're all invasive to some level" or "They're / Animals are all invasive to some level" - even on a slider as measurement, just working with each other seems the solution and key to it all... and then letting things die or not...
It's a fine line and "Stop trying to save invasive species!" could be taken in many ways in other scenarios.... but yeah I was imagining the "saving capitalistic people or not" as another scenario... let them die? Maybe!
(just don't know the answer to these things of saving what is nature / and then what might look bad even though Capitalist people are surely more x than y as damage / carelessness / uncaring behaviour)
We're all invasive to some level? or "They're all invasive to some level"...
@freeschool All invasive species are nonnative. So native species are **never** considered invasive.
We're all invasive to some level? or "They're all invasive to some level"...
@freemo But this again might be just a timeline thing and considering evolution progresses we might need to accept diversity (just it's more better and fun for us with some moderation and control) and so we could welcome it / figure to live with both (which is maybe what you're saying also).
The perspective of native / non-native seems a bit of a human perspective and binary / slightly discriminatory as it's all evolving and maybe surely we can't keep it all native unless everything is staying more static 'over there' and 'not here'...
Don't want to take to extreme but I hope it's not unfair comparison to imagine people in same way and if 'in theory' we or those elements could be educated / moderated then less fascism 'could' exist but then again it does seem 'them or us' in this example... Maybe should stick to #native / non-native but it rings strongly of #indigenous and non-indigenous with world is changing, which is no doubt going to happen either way it seems...
why would these honey-making bees native to the Americas not qualify as honey bees?
@lxo Honey bees are a specific species of bee Stingless Bees, while producing some honey, are not "Honey Bees" . They are also not typically the sort of bee you see. We are talking Aparis Serena.
now, Brazilian native stingless bees are far more common visitors to my home than the exotic honey bees. they're far more welcome, too ;-)
@lxo Because they produce much less honey and therefore not particularly useful for honey production.
@freemo Are you sure? @wikipedia states: "Honey bees appear to have their center of origin in South and Southeast Asia (including the Philippines), as all the extant species except Apis mellifera are native to that region. Notably, living representatives of the earliest lineages to diverge (Apis florea and Apis andreniformis) have their center of origin there." (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey_bee).