@RegGuy @monkeyninja

that is factually inaccurate. A Nazi salute involves a hand at your side immediately raised up to the air, which the motion HArris did by your own Admission. On the other hand Musk first puts his hand across his heart (which is NOT the motion for the nazi salute) before raising it.

Of the two Harris's motion was far more accurate to a Nazi salute than Musks.

To be clear I dont think either of these are intended to be Nazi salutes. But if we are going purely based ont he motions it is harris's that is far closer to a Nazi Salute than Musk's.

Don't beleive me, just pull up a video of literally any nazi salute from the actual Nazi army (I wont link such vile filth myself but you should have no problem finding it),.

@freemo@qoto.org
Here is a link with a side-by-side of Hitler and Musk doing that salute. I guess Hitler didn't know how to do the salute, aye?
https://stranger.social/@OGjester/113867700657276056
@monkeyninja

@freemo @RegGuy You seem to be approaching this as if each thing Musk does should be taken at face value, rather than looking historically at who he is and what he supports. Because yeah, if I just came into this conversation and this was the first thing I ever heard about him, I too might say we were jumping the gun. But that's not the case is it? Musk wrote on 20 December 2024 "Only the AfD can save Germany." That post is still up. So it's really hard to give him any wiggle room and any grace when he posted support for the current incarnation of the Nazi party in Germany. His history is what makes this a Nazi salute, not his awkwardness. Just like Harris's history makes hers not. These two things are not the same, these two people are not the same.

@monkeyninja @RegGuy

To be clear I am **not** claiming tghat this man doesnt behave in some ways that may align with nazi ideals (such as xenophobia and supporting a racist like trump are nazi-like, to some degree.

I wouldnt even go so far as to say he isnt a racist, maybe he is, probably he is.

All I am saying is there is no doubt in my mind (or those who are experts in this) that what he did did not represent a Nazi salute and was not intended to resemble one. Any resemblance is by accident.

That much is clear, its not a Nazi salute, full stop. Nothing about that statement however suggests he isnt a nazi-like person, and by that i mean, willing to support racists and racist policy and fascism, cause clearly he does.

If people said "Musk is supporting a racist and a fascist" I would have been cheering you on going "hell yea he does".. the moment you get tot he absurdity of trying to claim he intentionally did a Nazi salute, thats when you totally loose me.

I dont think the liberals realize over exaggerating everything and turning into the most absurd exaggeration of itself is **not** doing anyone any favors, all its doing is discrediting you from an otherwise very real and important discussion.

Thanks @RegGuy, I didn't have the link so I'm glad you could provide that. As for your comment @freemo in terms of whether we're going to always say such a thing is a Nazi salute? Who the person is and what they support is really crucial to that. Harris has not given me any reason to think that she would make such an arm gesture in support of Nazi ideology. Musk on the other hand has on numerous occasions shown both tacit and outright support for extreme ideologies that include support of the Nazi party. He removed all guard rails on Twitter to allow more open posts from Nazis and he provided heavy monetary support to a president who idolizes Nazis. So yeah, Musk doesn't get any benefit of the doubt here. As I said, he's told us who he is. Not just through this but time and again when given the opportunity to show us who he is, he has shown unequivocally who that is and what he supports.

@monkeyninja OK, he's a troll, time to block him.

@RegGuy Yeah, I just needed to say one more bit and then I'm done but 100% agree.

@monkeyninja @RegGuy

Its also a faked and/or cherry picked video. Here is a video showing thousands of people giving hte salute to hitler as well as hitler giving he saolute multiple times throughout history. As can clearly be seen the chestpump was **never** a part of the salute in a single instance.

So now we are saying hitler and all germans werent even giving the Nazi salute, which resemble's Harris's salute not Musks?

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=28623691

@monkeyninja @RegGuy

Also do I need to remind you, this isnt a personal theory. The jewish representative of the anti defamation league, someone who has clearly shown he doesnt like Musk, has explicitly stated that while this is an "awkward" gesture it did not look like a Nazi salute.

I think im going to take a literal Jewish expert on identifying nazi's as the authority on this one.

@RegGuy @freemo @monkeyninja Cherrypicking a still frame from a video is pretty low, TBH.