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Not deport me, not deport **legal** immigrants, and not making me fear for my freedom would be a nice start.
@realcaseyrollins How ya figure? Trump explicitly is screaming at the top of his lungs about deporting citizens.. how is it not his fault
> “It’s a legal question that the president is looking into,” Leavitt answered.
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> She said that Trump “would only consider this, if legal, for Americans who are the most violent, egregious, repeat offenders of crime who nobody in this room wants living in their communities.”
"Screaming at the top of his lungs about deporting citizens"? Haha
@lnxw37a2 @freemo Interesting. Well, if this is something he's actually wanting and planning on doing, that'd be a little different than something #Trump has casually mentioned doing if legal (it's not). For now this is mostly seeming like the whole " #Trump said to inject yourself with bleach" thing
Dude you are acting like a fool for the first time, ever... These are thigns he is actively doing.. he has arrested a judge already for enforcing her ruling, he has deported people against judges rullings he cant, without due process, people here under the protection of the law.
These arent random off the cuff things he is saying, it is a pattern of action that he has clearly followed through on every step of the way.
> When did this happen?
Just last month. Judge Hannah Dugan was arrested on Trump's order because ICE wanted to block her rulling and hide in her court room and arrest the immigrant when he comes in for his hearing to determine the legality of his case (what we call due process). Despite the judge specifically ordering it illegal to deport him without due process the FBI arrested the judge and then deported the individual.
> Presuming those people don't have lawful deportation orders, he should stop doing that
Yes he should stop doing this, he clearly has no intention of stopping. He even sent out a memo telling ICE to ignore the need for search warrants or due process.
Thats the problem, even when the supreme court tells him to stop, he wont... thats the point.
> Judge Hannah Dugan was arrested on Trump's order because ICE wanted to block her rulling
What #HannahDugan ruling was #Trump / #ICE trying to stop?
ICE was trying to stop a rulling that may have found the individual innocent and prevented them from having any course of action to deport him. They are trying to deport people without due process, his memo explicitly revealed they are trying to get people deported by avoiding court cases, meaning based on simply accusations without any due process.
In this case Eduardo Flores-Ruiz was accused of domestic abuse, without any court ruling if the accusation was valid or not. ICE wanted to deport him without due process, the judge insisted he had a right to a hearing to determine if he was guilty before using as a grounds for a deportation. Therefore she was arrested so ICE could deport the man without his constitutionally protected due process.
"being here illegally"... as ruled by what court? Thats the point you arent getting here. Until a court rules your here illegally, then you arent, thats the point. Crimes need to be ruled in court before they are determined...
You are familiar with innocent until proven guilty right?
ITs a bit more than that.. Every single person deported has access to a hearing (albeit summarily) on deportion. So yes, they do.
We have a fast-track process, and in that process there are two check points where the immigrant can demand a hearing.
There is a gross difference between a fast-track process where an immigrant **opts** not to ask for a hearing, and is deported summarily, vs rushing someone out int he middle of the night against a judges orders.... not even comparable.
I just did a whole right up ont he fast-track process and the various points where a person is garunteed judicial review should they invoke it.
ITs a bit more than that.. Every single person deported has access to a hearing (albeit summarily) on deportion. So yes, they do.
We have a fast-track process, and in that process there are two check points where the immigrant can demand a hearing.
There is a gross difference between a fast-track process where an immigrant **opts** not to ask for a hearing, and is deported summarily, vs rushing someone out int he middle of the night against a judges orders.... not even comparable.
I just did a whole right up ont he fast-track process and the various points where a person is garunteed judicial review should they invoke it.
On the #TitleV stuff IDK, I did quick search and couldn't find much about this beyond complaints from "critics"
On your second point I completely agree and one of my biggest issues with the #Trump administration is that he seems uninterested in using #Congress to enact the change he wants to see using the legislative branch. Executive orders are not a good way to govern.
You can no longer be a Trump supporter and just have a difference of opinion. It has now crossed the line that if you support trump, you support treason and the destruction of the constitution on every level.
Trump needs to be executed for treason along with every single person who has actively supported him. Maga has not surpassed the point of a political party and is now a terrorist organization as far as I'm concerned.
And I say that as probably one of the most centrist people on this whole damn platform.
HOLY FUCK, DUDE.
Seriously, I never once lost respect for you for being a rabid foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Trump NPC, but right now, right now….
Dude, your TDS is showing badly. Please go back and read what you wrote and try to understand why you’re bringing this much emotion into this conversation.
I was gonna try to write up a point by point refutation of all the hyperbole and dogwhistle fallacies in this thread, but honestly, once you crossed into wishing death on people with whom you disagree politically, there isn’t really much point in trying to engage rationally here.
My suggestion for you is to log out for a little while, and try to analyze what is causing you to put so much emotion into a random internet conversation about events that, very likely, don’t even touch your life directly.
Take your pick:
A) I'm someone who has followed you for a while, and has had quite a bit of respect for what you wrote, but you're desperately trying to destroy all of that because of some unknown emotional tantrum that you're throwing right now. I urge you to calm down before continuing.
B) I'm some internet rando whose opinion shouldn't matter to you, just like the people who are getting you so triggered you're wishing death on half of Americans.
Ok, whether its A or B I dont care... If my years of respect gives now eight to when a tipping point is reached that I will recognize it, and that respect has no value, then I dont really care.
You have to be a raving lunatic to look at whats going on in america under trump and thing it is remotely normal, acceptable, or not treason.
@freemo @realcaseyrollins @lnxw37a2
> Trump needs to be executed for treason along with every single person who has actively supported him
> one of the most centrist people on this whole damn platform
lmao
> one of the most centrist people on this whole damn platform
Well he used to be. I've known him on the #Fediverse for several years and used to have an account over on #QOTO. I left because my presence there gave his instance an unwarranted reputation as being "right wing" and supporting "hate speech". Even so, he defending me during that time.
I would continue to defend your right to speech. You dont see me threatening to block you at an instance or even a personal level do you?
You are supporting an enemy of the state if you are supporting Trump at this point. But even then you dont hear me trying to silence you.
He has already done it for people with legal residence despite being determined to be very clearly illegal by judges, he even then arrested the judge who tried to stop him from doing this illegal shit... Literally he has already executed every step of it right up to the point where he deports a literal citizen (deporting a legal resident without due process and the judge standing int he way should be a pretty big clue he is and will do it).
@lnxw37a2
"he even then arrested the judge who tried to stop him from doing this illegal shit"
yeah, THAT's why the fat cunt got arrested... fucking comical. I can't even with these people.
*sigh*
We've been over this already, I'm pretty sure. I'm not going over it again.
Can't remember if I touched on the "homegrown terror" thing, but in case I haven't: again, #Trump didn't mention citizens, it's not clear to me that he's referring to citizens in that clip. It sounds like he's referring to folks who are violent but not members of organized gangs.
If you think he's talking about citizens...fine, I guess, but he didn't say that specifically.
Are you serious man, really? In the press conference she clarified it.. he specifically said "deport american citizens" and referenced the specific talk Trump said what he said that you think is ambiguous. The press release secretary quite clearly states that yes, trump is looking to find a way to deport citizens and that he has been talking about it and planning it for a while in multiple ways.
ARe you seriously this desperate to play this mental gymnastics.. at this point you just sound like a tool when it has been so clearly reiterated in multiple conversations in multiple ways... why are you so desperate to believe something different than what has been explicitly stated, and clarified in multiple ways to you by him and his press secretary?
@freemo @lnxw37a2 Ah I see, I just listened to the second clip, I'd only read a couple quotes from it earlier. I didn't know that those two statements were even connected until #KarolineLeavitt
I guess I can say again that I don't support deporting citizens lol
Cool, obviously you have at least one brain cell if you dont support deporting american citizens.
Now do you have at least 2 brain cells and likewise dont support presidents who claim they want to deport us citizens? Thats more the issue, if you see the gross violations Trump is both doing, and claiming he will try to do, and you are pissed off and oppose his rule, then I fully respect you again. If not then I hate to say it but this is the moment ive lost a very long track record of respect for you.
There are lines people cant cross and expect me to respect them. Wanting a president who says they want to deport US citizens, and actively circumvents the due process clause of the constitution is one fundemental thing i can never respect. I hope that isnt you, as 1) I never would have expected it to be and 2) I much prefer to think the respect you gained from me is earned and not misplaced.
@freemo @lnxw37a2 Oh I missed that reply.
Yeah and that's the funniest thing about this whole conversation: I don't support #Trump anymore, and haven't for months if not years (I don't remember exactly when I stopped supporting him but it was sometime during the 2024 election cycle). I've hated #MAGA for even longer than that.
Then I misunderstood, am sorry, and I see my respect in you has always been well placed and it is a great relief I didnt misjudge your character as badly as I thought I had done.
My apologies for misunderstanding my friend, and as far as Im concerned I can safely continue with the deep level of respect for you I have always had.
Thanks for reassuring me some people have integrity.
Seems you may not get some of my responses.
The last one also doesnt show up on yrou server:
@freemo @lnxw37a2 Thanks. I'm sorry to say that I cannot say the same for you. You certainly have a level of integrity, but the way you have behaved in this conversation has eroded some (but not all) of the respect I have for you. It is hard to have the highest level of respect for someone who is willing to speak to someone (and I presume treat people) so poorly due to political disagreements.
Your behavior here is almost literally everything I try to avoid in dealing with people.
You certainly have that right.
Your opinions dont get a pass simply for being of a political nature.No one is ever protected from judgements simply for being "political", they are protected because of their nature. You are welcome to disagree on conservative or liberal terms all you ant, and yes it would be wrong to attack someone for being a conservative. But if they straight up tell me "us american should be deported" you will not have my respect regardless of if that opinion is a poliical one or not.
Regardless, the respect I give others is not measured by the respect I receive. And I have no shame in not respecting a person who wishes harm on other people, and never will.
So wait, you dont think that represnets him saying loudly and clearly he plans to deport usa citizens?
You think because he said he is looking into a way to do it legally that he will follow the law? despite the fact that he hasnt listened to a single rulling any court has placed on him of any kind?
Seriously, I never once lost respect for you for leaning republican... but right now, right now was the first time I did.
> So wait, you dont think that represnets him saying loudly and clearly he plans to deport usa citizens?
No
> You think because he said he is looking into a way to do it legally that he will follow the law?
Yes
> Seriously, I never once lost respect for you for leaning republican... but right now, right now was the first time I did.
Okay
Need a remind you this is the same man who thinks its illegal to ignore a court order explicitly saying a man cant be deported, deporting them anyway, then the supreme court reaffirms again it was illegal and he needs to bring him back, he ignores the court order again, and then claims he wants to operate within the law... yes his figment of his imagination as to what the law is, not the actual reality of the law.
@freemo @lnxw37a2 TBF I wanna say in the case you're referring to, the courts were trying to keep #Trump from having #ICE comply with federal immigration law, as a legal deportation order for the individual had been obtained. Kinda puts #Trump in a sticky situation: do you follow the courts, or follow the law? He chose the law in that scenario.
@freemo When did he do that?