Please avoid generalizations which shift the blame. Western civilization is not the whole of humanity. Identifying the problem is key to figuring out the solution. The systems imposed by the west are the problem.
@PiedraFiera
I agree but this is one of those things that does have a lot of truth, much like stereotypes that aren't great way of saying / have a lot wrong and personal bias but does point to clear cultural differences and truths once you get past the offence of labelling it but whatever name.
So for your context I would say yes but unfortunately truth is more towards these things:
Western civilization IS the whole [*problem*] of humanity. It somewhat dictates / restricts all life.
In short these sides of the planet are more the creator / killer / template maker / what all people MUST base their life on and they too are part of enforcing / keeping it going... if not them then others are the ones that fall or suffer under it's rule or the handful of countries undoubtedly 'exploring' / hunting / subjecting it to economic and tech wards.... (most still have flags, dominion, control).
Even in the past going off on the weekends and having battles / wars - much the same happening in other more economic translated ways / avenues (even if you don't see dead bodies the energy via money or blood from working is being killed / pocketed. Greed continue with being born the excuse to keep it all going - a hard one for sure).
Anyway so that's what I see as more the truth without reduce your truth... A bad shorthand but mostly true - I think the patterns and frequency and continuation earn 'blame' and even beyond on many levels of society (normies and lemmings included as *they know* and continue without even looking for solution) ... but also it's healthy for not to stay in that side of problems and more look at solutions, so it is deep but not to stay there and wallow is good... (like racist might) -
People did a lot of $hit. I think it's good what you say though the list of how to say it I take suggestions on... as I myself think Americans as a petri dish and everything refined from it is so evolved that anything but a few good eggs are literally the problem (like the whole land and people inside almost has been overun by bad ideas or cutting other cultures within it to become a mono-culture about money or power, sterilisation etc).
I'm also trying to fight not labelling the west and mention just the patterns and the mentality and the control systems and the city environments and the concrete and lack of nature, habitat and lack of culture itself and lack of will-power to fix things etc etc
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and then at the end I might as well say anyone that says is probably 70% right so I might ask them about specifics and not be offended...
Anyway no idea why you wrote this but hope that's some idea about it to harmonise what you think... 'm quite flexible but prefer people to say it and then refine but helps to see how better I could improve blaming U$A etc...
I think this kind of post once in a while makes sure we know what it means because there are good eggs in the west and everywhere..
but maybe more lemmings knowingly on some level complicit... who won't even talk about it (but will complain, and never want to solve)...
Born in the West? Part of the problem by previous design that reinforces more of the same...
Advice welcome.
@freeschool
Truth offends westerners. There was no stereotype or personal bias, just historical fact. I could also enunciate it as "racial capitalism" but not everyone would know off the bat what I am pointing to.
Personally I see all of "Western Civilization" as one mono culture all about whiteness, money, power, control over others, submission of Nature to Ideal...
I do not care to blame all westerners but I have no positive expectations of solutions coming out of their institutions. There are interesting ideas and traditions there for sure, most forged in opposition to the dominant culture. But when talking about the problem I am too worried about what new hells their version of civilization will unleash onto the world to care to highlight what would be worth salvaging.
And yet the words I choose to use, point to what of the West I believe is worth salvaging or using, even if temporarily. Those words and concepts were coined within the anarchist, communist or antiauthoritarian movements of the west, or of elsewhere but influenced by the western movements.
@PiedraFiera
I think you equalised most of everything, and I don't what to say mostly... No main focus left or just accepting it is what it is without anything major in focus as the problem ... I can see we share you believe is worth salvaging ... or perhaps re-creating... which yes can be seen as problematic but I see the as-you-go human approaches I think fixes that... and being bold and challenging each other without being bastards... which might be one of the first steps in solving things as people can misjudge easily or treat things as hostile/strange/many things other than really sorting it out, taking time-outs and coming back to talking again almost aggressively coming back for more (not leaving it unless really works for them and it's not about 'giving up' too and throwing in the towel too easy from challenging topics or styles)
