@amerika We can't avoid being a #parasite (i.e. parasite from / on planet ultimately - Can't avoid consumption / transformation as existence can you?).

:) So TLDR is just doing it better every generation / iteration - if it's to be towards happier people (rather than opposite it seems today crushing people instead).

The key part is individuals not being against group so much more than upgrading brains or accepting how the world is more in terms of planet then people first... rather than greed or ignorance etc. Just getting better and leveraging that.

(I know you're not into that #planet and #people stuff but seems you can't avoid that being more the case than not!).

So yes feeling ok about being #parasites and just about doing it better... just more towards 🧠 / 👨‍🌾 more than only... 💪 / 🔫

@freeschool

My fundamental approach to the planet is something like ecofascism minus the overhead of fascism, which I think is retarded.

You have to go back to the early stuff...

https://www.amerika.org/texts/nature-is-a-bug-wrecking-factory/

In an ecosystem, we humans are not parasites; we serve a role.

Yes, consumption must occur and increases thermodynamic disorder, but we balance it with ordering.

Not sure how billions of tons of plastic landfill is necessary here, but there's probably a middle way.

Some things however are just parasitic: take everything, give nothing.

@amerika
TALKING IN TERMS OF BASIC LAYERS
Yeah sure about plastics- but here we're not talking about the extra and aesthetic / newer stuff... just the basics of taking care of planet and people as primary more of the time and in everything we do.

ABOUT PARASITES
Interesting thing is that even parasites (of the nature world) are not or cannot be
100% parasitic: because of their existence inside an *eco-system so as long as it dies and does something it has an effect on the rest which it uses (even with just the carcass at the end or as food for others or making it's only type of 'footprints' however it moves).

So a pure-parasitic thing in nature taking everything, give nothing DOES NOT EXIST / impossible! All transforms / does things :)

E.g. People think "we could do without flies - oh they are such a 'terrible' thing" but they help pollinate and help spread so many things for the rest of the chain (good and bad for humans but main things is THEY DO SOMETHING and those tasks quite similar to bee's and they need all the support they can get or not be the only type of pollinators / air service!).

Pretty cool right? Just human parasites is the main problem to deal with. Nature not so much.

@freeschool

Removal of human parasites is always a good thing.

But in nature, parasites serve an important role in removing the weak.

There might be some metaphorical connection here, idk...

@amerika Ok ok I see what you're saying there... not bad.

@freeschool

I just want a human life where we are not actively destroying good things like nature.

"Half Earth" is a start.

@freeschool

From reading and analysis...

* All change is change in attitudes first. Humanism is dying because a bloated, infertile, diseased, and miserable humanity is self-destructing. What comes next? Reverence, transcendence... we need those to love ourselves and nature.

* The modern time is winding down. Our miracles have expired. Thus faith in the new old ways is fading.

* Not to be unduly repetitive, but "Half Earth" -- setting aside half of land and sea for nature -- is the first step.