I believe Dan plans to never #federate , revoke federation, or at least retain the ability to do so. See term 2 on Loop's website: loops.video/legal/terms-of-ser
which says such things as "under this license you may not:...use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);.....transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" and the materials on any other server...This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Loops at any time." and "Loops may revise these terms of service for its website at any time without notice" Loops' terms are not open source and could be used to justify #defederation or changing policy on federation. And considering how dan behaves with peers who disagree with him, I could see him deciding federation isn't what he wants to do with Loops, which he treats not as an #opensource thing but as #proprietary
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Loops terms could good for FOSS...? (Loops = video like TikTok, SnapChat, TikTok, Snapchat, and Vine alternative)... 

@Sup3rN0va I see this part of the terms as possibly or initially as a good thing...

This post is a quick look to give you a reply and remind myself to talk about it, but I'm still open to reasoning and not being to reactive about it at all here...

So here's my reasoning...

...basically a kind of "ladder of priority" and what Dan (in my thinking) might have put first almost as a protective condition or wrapper around it all.

If you imagine a ladder and the top being first / most important as the priority, then as you go down the ladder the lesser priority things can come into actin BUT first / top things then protect things those things inside or down the latter it which basically what licenses do as .

So it makes sense (if I get this right) that NEVER could be used by commercial entities against itself and LOOPS is 'not free' in that sense to do more of the same we see with other software / take overs / free work to Google etc for their fake support to do the same bad things inside another wraper left uncheck by good people (it's normal good people give it away / don't expect ideas to be robbed / exploited) while I don't mean over-doing it but initially yes maybe so it's not weaponised again or dumb / uninterested users just moving on to the next thing for doing same proprietary work / living in their life...

➡️ Side Example (maybe not best)... but look at Mastodon

It's like Mastodon how millions of people are use it for posting Google links and Youtube etc...

Serving Google as ad-farm basically by proxy ! It's honestly VERY VERY DAMAGING in terms of sheer money to wrong people - Imagine if @Gargron said "You have to try use free open source alternative links also as a choice in posts... or use our own filter / cloaking mechanisms to stop feeding users to google and our users to the wrong people," because it is a economic thing in the end or inevitably ... despite you being free to use it - you must protect it from being used badly also.

To protect from corporations AND the bourgeois users wo are "not-really-interested-in-FOSS-all-the-way" and who-don't-care a lot (just 'users' and in way) to make sure people don't use FOSS in the worst ways... free ad-farms I think is a good example.

So while Loops aims to be an open to , , and# Vine, I've always thought there was a flaw in much of software like giving hammers to people without training (just put your email here allows a lot bad work too in posting) since "They" (the vultures, un-foss people, Modern Capitalism and it's degeneration of "death-is-a-kind of-growth" way then people so end up fake / uneducated etc and will do the daily damage which is seriously millions per day to wrong side.

And lack of educators or admin, or groups of people to help on fediverse is bad and a weak point..

Too many not to go wrong and even help "produce" weak users of uncaring kind or stagnation once they signup and think that's about it in terms of Mastodon and their job from Twitter etc.

If Mastodon had for example alternatives to youtube like (like @invidious - it at least has to have an auto-generated alternative link or first option... to avoid being exploited

Google is making a killing from Mastodon link$ leaving the UNCHECKED CURRENTLY - not to mention and / webspace increasingly a security threat / bad space / Amazon etc

So long story short is without continual education or cut-throat terms and conditions (to compensate nobody reading or educating others) FOSS can "make" users a bit dumb at the start (which I admit is a huge step to getting there but we shouldn't stop there in / could help all those doing existing massive work) so not sure of words/

But words like "less stagnation" and "less ignorant" / "more educated personally" people (including that think usage is enough but could be helped more on servers) then something of a massive fail-safe has to happen (probably in license as users can't be trusted to read / understand / do).

THOSE ARE THE MAIN POINTS.

Many things like or any vanilla type thing shouldn't really be federated in non-same and side example is Mastodon again having a but not inside itself to suggest or improves things but ONLY USING or another system / 3RD PARTY which isn't good enough / weak in itself <--- could be wrong but I think it's about right)

So a few big things / weaknesses which Loops and @dansup might inoculating / making sure of here to 🚫 stop / block ⛔ 'viral' things actually being a virus (advert farm / anything used badly).

It's a harsh reality to deal with.

Love to hear your thoughts.

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