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@shilkytouch @carnage4life

Exactly.

More people need to understand this and what consequences it has for them.

People buy products from and invest money in companies which are led by one top priority "generate maximum profit". True for most companies.

Through the investor lens this is good for people, earns them a share of the profits.

Through the lens of the consumer it's bad for people, because " generate maximum profit" delivers all sorts of bad for the consumer: worst tolerable service for highest tolerable price, maximum externalisation of societal/ecological costs/damage.

The conclusion from this could be: choose doing business with companies that do NOT have "maximize profit" as their top priority.

There are such companies, but they're not "joint-stock" type companies.

The would be one type of company where the incentives are different.

People need to realize that by buying from and investing in profit driven companies, they're basically giving the orders to do all theses things they hate as customers/consumers.

If you want different, you have to invest/consume differently.

Hey @thunderbird .. after the latest update you kindly asked for a donation to keep the project alive.

Well, I will indeed consider donating to .. I'll do so IF you STOP needlessly changing the UI every few versions.

The previous UI (~ v 102) was .. absolutely fine.

Now it is - yet again - noticeably slower. And the message list has too much contrast.

It's just frustrating .. to see great software that once was perfectly snappy on my old machine become slower with every update.

@kevinrns

Typo in third paragraph. Should've read: "wouldn't"

Yes, the technology to do all these things exists. But currently doing these things would drive up costs of end products so much, that people just wouldn't be able to afford them.

@kevinrns

> Like oil just sitting there, we can collect sun light, just like we collect oil. Store it, ship it, sell it. Wind is waiting to be collected.

You're making it sound as if using wind and solar generated electricity is as easy as using fossil fuels. It is not, at least not yet.

Try flying with an electricity powered plane. Try buying stuff at your local grocery store that's been trucked from the port with an electric truck. Try mining copper or any other material needed to produce wind turbines and solar panels with electricity powered machines/vehicles. And so on.

Yes, the technology to do all these things exists. But currently doing these things would drive up costs of end products so much, that people just would be able to afford them.

Yes, using fossil fuels leads to CO2 and other emissions, which is bad. But in many applications there's effectively no viable alternative to fossil fuels yet.
Telling people that politicians "just" need to decide to build more wind turbines and solar panels and soon everything will run on cheap renewable electricity will not change physics/thermodynamics.
It will however distract people from what is currently the most feasible way to cut emissions: less consumption and

@BrentToderian

Yes, this is a plastic illustration of how unpleasant driving a car can be.

But is it representative of the _average_ experience of people who drive cars? I don't think so.

Most people experience traffic jams from time to time. But to most people it'll only be a part of the whole car experience.

If this picture represents your view of most people's car driving experience, then it's only coherent, that you think these people have "a REALLY strange definition of <<freedom>>".

By the way, I don't own a car and I drive at most few hundred km per year (in other people's cars).

@strypey

A nicely written guide about SSB, technical but well illustrated:

ssbc.github.io/scuttlebutt-pro

> The main feature rooms provide is a way for peers to find each other and establish tunnelled connections among themselves as if they were on the same network.

.. and from the section about Pubs:

> Pubs speak the same protocol as regular peers and behave like regular peers except that they are normally run on servers so that they are always online.

> Joining a pub means following it and having it follow you back. After a new user joins a pub they will be able to see posts by the pub’s other members, and crucially the other members will be able to see the new member. This works because everyone is now within 2 hops of each other ..

So maybe I'll end up doing the following: entering the room regularly so that Manyverse can get some new IPs of my peers and connect .. and then leave the room and hope the connections will remain for some time.

A question the guide above did not answer: do peers in some way exchange known current IPs of other peers?

I assume not. Probably because everyone's IP being available for look-up is very much not intended.

If not, then rooms are absolutely essential (to users who want to use SSB as a worldwide internet based social network) unless users regularly connect to a shared LAN at the same time.

@prasoon

I might have seen it. I'll have to check.

Is this where they also show solar PV parks that became abandoned?

@strypey @manyver_se

Rooms do indeed help connect.

I don't know, but I thought connecting to some room is kind of a temporary thing you do in the beginning to help onboarding and then leave the room anyway.

I now have a few connections. But the "connections" indicator shows a red "Not connected" most of the time.

Which is ok.

But this is the concept, right? You make a few connections and ideally you'll gain some level of redundancy by chance through overlapping social circles, so that there'll be someone online at least most of the time from who you can load some data from them and other users.

Maybe staying in the room permanently is a good option for some people. Idk.

For me it'd be annoying because of the behaviour I described.

Also, when I scroll through my "Hashtags" stream, there's already quite some content there even though I follow only a dozen or so tags.

Guess I'll have to play with it all a bit more to be certain how to do things.

@strypey

Yes, it's ~ 95 % incoming traffic.

Seems like the reason is that I was still in this room ssb-room.j-serv.de.

I guess it was mostly data from all the other peers in this room.

Let's see how it all works out now that I left the room.
I wonder whether I'm going to be sufficiently connected now. There are a handful of peers following me.

Maybe I should have done more reading before blindly trying it out.
I feel like I'm not even close to understanding enough about what's going on under the hood when I do something. And it seems to me that is one of those systems where you need to know more about how it works in order to get something out of it, compared to other systems.

@manyver_se

@strypey @davidoclubb

Did any of you monitor the network traffic of the app?

I'm running the linux version in a linux VM and it seems that every time I start it up again, it'll load in the ballpark of 500-600 MB of traffic from the network.

After this initial surge for maybe 30 minutes it'll just idle along with very little traffic. Guess it's somehow rebuilding its database or what and once it finishes, it runs low traffic.

Either I'm doing something unusual here, or something does not work as intended.

I mean, an app that's supposed to work mostly offline and then from time to time connect to the network shouldn't use hundreds of MBs of traffic each time, right?

For reference, the ".config" folder currently uses ~ 430 MB, so it's definitely not gigantic and the "replication hops" setting is a the default "2".

I'd rather not have the VM running all the time and blocking RAM.

Maybe I just need to keep the app running in the VM instead of terminating and starting it up again? I'll try that.

@manyver_se

@strypey @davidoclubb

I found this one: ssb-room.j-serv.de/

Click <Create new invite> and then you can paste the result in Manyverse.

Then the Manyverse app (for linux desktop) guided me through following/connecting some random IDs and additional pub rooms were also listed.

The pub rooms have timelines that show all the people that followed the room. I just clicked on a few random IDs and then followed them. Most were not online at the same time as me but, one account I actually saw a posted photo and commented on it.

I'm not sure, but apparently with scuttlebutt one cannot simply paste an ID into the app and follow this person. Seems like any connection has to be established through interacting with the social graph or through being in the same room.

@nntaleb

How far does it have to go with data hoarding by tech giants for people to start to opt out?

I worry that humankind is kind of caught in a death spiral there.

What death spiral? The problem might be: ever more makes it ever more obscure (to an individual human) in which ways this data accumulation is detrimental to the whole of society.

People might be manipulated in increasingly obscure ways and more and more effectively through all this data in combination with our highly complex societal system (culture, corporations, politics, science, ...) ... and in the end they just cannot tell, what caused what.

They might just feel ever more strongly that things don't feel good .. but they just cannot point their fingers at the cause. Because everything is too complex to understand.

Thought:

The key aspect that will make the space elevator possible will be, I think:

The cable/tether will be made from a material which can be continuously repaired while in use by enzymatic processes.

Maybe it's or but it might also be some bio polymer like lignin or chitin.

I also think the structure of the cable will be made up of tubes and it'll be porous, so that it can be locally infused with a solution containing enzymes and other molecules for repair.

Fascinating blog post about the increasing challenges s and power plant operators are facing due to the dynamics introduced into the system by prioritizing generation.

bfrandall.substack.com/p/chaos

(I might mention that I am all for .. but as someone with a bit more interest and education in science & technology than average I see challenges here that appear to be insufficiently addressed by current policies)

the author on twitter:
@mining_atoms

Risks to Mastodon with increasing popularity 

Interesting comment on Hackernews regarding a possible scenario/long term risk should Mastodon threaten the corporate sphere of social media.

news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3

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