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IEML - TP notes part II
x. body sijelo
E:.wa.- two tu
E:.wa.- both tu
E:.wa.- couple tu
f.o.-f.o. body sijelo
t.i.- container poki
s.o.- thought pilin
b.o.- word nimi
t.o.- time tenpo
t.o.- moment tenpo
s.y.- organized knowledge sona
n.y.- knowledge of fundamentals sona
d.y.- knowledge of facts sona
b.y.- formal intelligence sona
n.e.- leadership lawa
s.u.- image sitelen
b.u.- speech toki
n.u.- name nimi
m.a.- parent mama
m.i.- toy musi
u.A:.- go tawa
u.u.- communicate toki
a.i.- sell esun
j.j.- knowledge sona
j.j.- intellectual mastery sona
j.c.- learning kama sona
g.s.- noise kalama
x.wa.- tool ilo
a.T:.- eat moku
wa.wu.t.- rest lape
p.E:U:T:.- good pona
p.E:U:S:.- bad ike
T:E:A:T:.- big suli
p.E:A:S:.- small lili
b. language toki
y.a.- learn kama sona
y.a.- study kama sona
o.a.- lead lawa
u.T:.- walk tawa
u.T:.- travel on land tawa
b.u.- speech toki
p.E:A:T:.- large suli
s.u.-d.u.-d.u.- located lon
e.i.- give pana
E:A:T:.- a lot mute
E:A:T:.- more mute
E:A:T:.- very mute
E:S:U:.- possibility ken
wa. act pali
y. know sona
o. want wile
e. can ken
e. be able ken
wu. feel pilin
wo. exist lon
wo. become kama
we. happen kama
u. say toki
i. do pali
g. message toki
c. individual jan
n. world ma
p. object ijo
E:wo.- one single taso
E:A:.x.- with kepeken
E:.wu.- plural mute
E:.wu.- many mute
E:.b.y.- know (+verb) sona
E:.b.e.- want (+verb) wile
E:.b.e.- can (+verb) ken
E:.b.e.- may (+verb) ken
E:S:.p.- whole ale
E:B:.d.- difference ante
E:T:.h.- cause tan
First IEML TP notes
t.i.-k.i.-' capital mani
d.i.-k.i.-' money mani
l.i.-m.i.-' furniture supa
b.i.-k.i.-' public place ma
d.i.-l.i.-' room tomo
d.i.-l.i.-' hall tomo
k.i.-t.i.-' store esun
n.i.-s.i.-' engine ilo
f.e.-t.i.-' machine ilo
m.a.-b.a.-' game musi
l.e.-m.i.-' entertainment musi
f.i.-k.i.-' drink moku
f.i.-k.i.-' food moku
a.B:.- drink moku
k.i.-f.i.-' mouth uta
m.i.-f.i.-' skin selo
k.i.-l.i.-' building tomo
n.i.-n.i.-' energy wawa
l.i.-s.i.-' opening lupa
l.i.-k.i.-' terrain ma
l.i.-k.i.-' field ma
n.i.-d.i.-' wheel sike
k.i.-d.i.-' market esun
m.i.-l.i.-' thread linja
t.i.-b.i.-' document lipu
m.i.-b.i.-' perfume kon
k.i.-m.i.-' playing musi
n.i.-m.i.-' human work pali
s.i.-n.i.-' cooling lete
t.i.-n.i.-' heating seli
l.i.-n.i.-' cutting kipisi
d.i.-n.i.-' steering lawa
b.i.-l.i.-' road nasin
b.i.-l.i.-' path nasin
I am considering to try to define the 123 Toki Pona words and the 460 concepts they cover into IEML (Information Economy Metalanguage) created by Lévy Pierre
https://www.facebook.com/pierre.levy
It could be beneficial because Toki Pona is a great way of looking at ambiguity and some people have already indicated that handling ambiguity could be the next big thing in Artificial Intelligence.
Nyako Bwazo | 2012
Ever Heard of the Language Toki Pona?
Less than 200 words in the entire language and grammar is simple
rdmiller3 | 2012
mi jan Wiko. mi jan sona pi toki pona.
I'm Rick, and I'm a Toki Pona expert.
It doesn't take long to learn the vocabulary of Toki Pona. The grammar isn't too difficult but it takes practice. The real challenge in Toki Pona is learning how to say only the core meaning without unnecessary detail. Most people learning Toki Pona don't get this, but it's the whole reason that the language was invented.
Beginners ask, "What's the word for 'cat'? What's the word for 'dog'?" When they find out that there is no specific word but that any land mammal is called "soweli", the beginner's impulse is to create short phrases to differentiate between the animals. Then they want to have new words or phrases for numbers like "ten" and "thousand". They want to have a code to convert their native vocabulary directly into Toki Pona, and they try to use these phrases as drop-in replacements for words.
People who say that you must learn lists of these phrases in order to communicate in Toki Pona are doing it wrong.
In English, I talk to people about my "cat". I don't have to call it a "neutered, pedigreed, full-breed, white-with-peach-tips himalayan" every time, do I? Technically a "cat" could be tabby kitten or a full-grown tiger but I don't have to tell you which every time I mention it. Either it doesn't matter or you will get it from context. That's how Toki Pona works, but it takes the generalization to a higher level.
So why learn Toki Pona? Because when you generalize like that, it forces you to think about the core meaning of what you're saying. And sometimes it will surprise you, what's been hidden under all that unnecessary detail. Especially when you use Toki Pona to talk about what's going on in your own life.
Source(s): http://tokipona.org
Matthew M | 2012
Yes. It has about 123 words. It used to have as few as 117 and if you count edge cases, the count goes as high as 140 something. That said, it requires memorizing about a few thousand set phrases in order to competently read or write it. On the otherhand, if you don't memorize those phrases, it isn't that hard to make up new equally good phrases on the spot and most people will understand that most of the time.
There isn't much in the language, in terms of mechanisms for communication, so one can learn it in about 30 hours and one can say a remarkably large number of things in toki pona if you take into consideration that it only took 30 hours of study.
You can't really use toki pona as a full language, i.e. you probably couldn't translate an entire book into toki pona, or hold a conference and we don't really know if you can run a house hold in toki pona, no one has tried, but it seems with in the realm of possibility. You can use it as sort of a game or intellectual exercise, or a way to learn a "foreign" language without investing the several thousand hours it takes to learn a second language.
Get started by posting short writings on the forum, lots of people are there to correct & edit your work. Conversation in toki pona mostly happens on twitter, toki lili (another twitter clone) and sometimes on the IRC channel.
Source(s): Sources: http://forums.tokipona.org http://tokipona.net http://suburbandestiny.com - the toki pona articles
And many other resources scattered across the internet.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111007182912AAEsMb1
Limba străină pe care poți să o înveți într-o zi
de M.Z. | 12 Noi 2016 • 15:59
Limba străină pe care poți să o înveți într-o zi 418Foto: pixabay.com
Toki Pona este limbajul cu cele mai puţine cuvinte din lume, conţinând doar 123, și se poate învăța în 30 de ore. Această limbă a fost creată în 2001, de Sonja Lang, cea care susține că numărul scăzut de cuvinte este suficient pentru a exprima aproape orice idee, potrivit Businessinsider.com.
În limbajul Toki Pona nu există expresii de politețe, precum ”te rog” sau ”mulțumesc”, dar ele pot fi exprimate prin limbaj corporal. Nu asemenea, nu sunt cuvinte care să facă referire la gadgeturi.
În această limbă, care ar putea fi folosită ca limbă internaţională, se face economie de cuvinte, prin fuzionarea unor concepte, iar cuvintele îndeplinesc mai multe funcţii în vorbire.
Spre exemplu, atunci când vrem să vorbim despre un autoturism care se deplasează, este suficient să pronunțăm ”tomo tawa”, spune Sonja Lang. Dacă vorbim despre un accident, în speță o mașină care ne-a lovit, spunem ”kiwen utala”, explică Lang.
În Toki Pona există numai cinci culori: loje (roşu), laso (albastru), jelo (galben), pimeja (negru) şi walo (alb), iar pentru numere, sunt doar wan (unu), tu (doi) şi mute (câteva). Vorbitorii au extins utilizarea unor cuvinte, folosind cuvântul ”luka” (mână, braţ) şi pentru exprima cifra cinci, iar ”mute” să fie folosit pentru numărul 10. Pentru a spune numărul dorit, vorbitorii trebuie să repete, adăugând până când ajung la numărul respectiv.
https://www.antena3.ro/actualitate/inedit/limba-straina-pe-care-poti-sa-o-inveti-intr-o-zi-385585.html
Limba străină care poate fi învățată în 30 de ore
21 Dec 2018
Limba străină care poate fi învățată în 30 de ore Foto: pixabay.com
Toki Pona este limbajul cu cele mai puţine cuvinte din lume, conţinând doar 123. Toki Pona a fost creată în 2001 de către Sonja Lang.
Ea şi alţi vorbitori de Toki Pona susţin că numărul redus de cuvinte este de ajuns să exprime aproape orice idee.
Pentru a crea noul limbaj, Lang a lucrat invers, împotriva tendintei generale de a crea un lexicon natural. Ea a început prin reducerea şi consolidarea specificului în general.
Economia acestei limbi se realizează reducând gândirea simbolică la elementele sale de bază, fuzionând concepte conexe, iar cuvintele îndeplinesc mai multe funcţii în vorbire.
O persoană are nevoie doar de 30 de ore pentru a o învăţa Toki Pona. Această uşurinţă de a învăţare, o face ideală pentru a putea fi folosită ca limbă internaţională, care ar putea conecta milioane de oameni de pe tot globul, potrivit businessmagazin.ro.
https://www.antena3.ro/life/limba-straina-care-poate-fi-invatata-in-30-de-ore-500589.html
Conlang Quest
Fourth Language Review: Toki Pona
2013
Toki Pona is based on the ideals of simplicity of thought. This seems fitting as it is immediately apparent that no complex thought went into the development of Toki Pona at all.
Toki Pona is seventh circle of ambiguity hell. I imagine that it’s very easy to learn, since many words can potentially mean lots of different things. Here are a few examples:
suno <- Sun, or Shiny/Something that shines, Day [2][1]
pona <- Good, great, cool, thanks [1]
suno pona <- A greeting that apparently can mean “good day” … it could also mean: “good sun, cool sun, great sun, thanks sun, good shiny something, cool shiny something, great shiny something, thanks shiny something”
GAH!
The grammar, as per usual, also doesn’t protect against syntactical ambiguity (much like Esperanto, Ido, or any other constructed language that I’ve reviewed thus far).
All in all I do like one aspect of the language… honesty
A classic example of this can be seen when translating to plain English the doublespeak that large organizations use to manipulate and dehumanize people:
“downsizing” mass firing of employees
“collateral damage” killing of civilians
“pre-emptive war” invasion of a foreign country
http://en.tokipona.org/wiki/What_is_Toki_Pona%3F
Summary
I find that Toki Pona would be an incredibly easy to learn language for very simple communication. It does not provide many, if any, scientific or industry terms. It’s limited, easy and as a result: ambiguous. If you’re looking for a more complete and more widely spoken language that’s also easy to learn, again, I suggest Ido.
[2] http://en.tokipona.org/wiki/suno
[1] http://en.tokipona.org/wiki/What_is_Toki_Pona%3F
https://conlangquest.tumblr.com/post/33991762544/fourth-language-review-toki-pona
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As a language designed to shape the thought processes of its users, it resembles George Orwell's invented language Newspeak. As a simple language with minimal phonology and vocabulary, it resembles Furbish[?] or Lapine[?].
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== History ==
An early version of the language was published online in 2001 by Sonja Lang, and it quickly gained popularity. Early activity took place in a Yahoo! group. Members of the group discussed the language with one another in English, Toki Pona, and Esperanto, proposed changes, and talked about the resources on the tokipona.org site. At its peak member count, the group had a little over 500 members. Messages in the group were archived in the Toki Pona forum using phpBB.
Lang later released an official book on the language, Toki Pona: The Language of Good, in 2014. It is also sometimes referred to as pu in the Toki Pona community. In 2016, the book was also published in French. Although other resources for the language have been created by the community, the major sources for learning continue to be Lang's book and online lessons developed by Bryant Knight or "jan Pije", an early adopter of Toki Pona.
In 2008 an application for an ISO 639-3 code was rejected, with a statement that the language was too young. Another request was rejected in 2018 as the language "does not appear to be used in a variety of domains nor for communication within a community which includes all ages".Toki Pona was the subject of some scientific works, and it has also been used for artificial intelligence and software tools, as well as a therapeutic method for eliminating negative thinking by having patients keep track of their thoughts in the language.
toki pona letter/syllable/word frequency statistics based on #toki-pona-taso on the ma pona pi toki pona discord server. Second file has some stats from "toki pona taso sin" on telegram.
https://gist.github.com/increpare/9aaf57056b857cb44a38d0ff0de9534b
Who speaks toki pona?
JanMato | 2010
toki pona is an artificial language uses for amusement and entertainment on mailing lists, internet forums, blogs and the like. Typical users are geographically located in North America, Europe and Russia. The typical toki pona user is also fluent two or more other natural languages.
While several thousand people have heard of it or expressed casual interest in it, only a few dozen have learned it well enough to write something original and post it to the internet. I estimate that about 50 to 100 people have contributed to the public toki pna corpus (the set of all public writings in toki pona).
Unlike Esperanto, Lojban or Klingon, the toki pona does not at the moment have a significant in person community, yet.
Toki Pona/Morphological typology
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Toki_Pona/Morphological_typology
sina o jo
e tenpo sike
tu mila luka en noka
pona !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTKqhyvxNw
tan jan Pite Janseke
tan ma Pesije
#tpe #epansa #toki_ante #toki_pona_kepeken_nanpa_suli
#Janseke
What are the advantages of learning Toki Pona?
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-advantages-of-learning-Toki-Pona
lipu pi toki pona pi jan Tolin
sitelen musi mi pi toki pona li lon lipu ni.
My toki pona translations/original compositions are on this page.
kule - Original poem
walo
open a!
ale li kama lon!
sina en mi en ante a
li kama tan ijo wan.
laso
kili tan kasi tan ma
li jo e kule ni
ona li lon ale a
li pona tawa mi.
kala li tawa telo
ona li lili li ni
ona li tawa ma
pi kule suli ni.
anpa en sewi la
kule ni li lon
pini en ale la
kule ni li wan.
jelo
sewi li kama ante
ike li lon tan kon
ona li weka e kule
kasi pi wawa lon.
sina o tawa tan ni
olin li suli wan
sina o tawa ma pi
ilo pi kama lon.
wawa ona li pona
e ale e mi e sina
ona a li lon poka
jan a pi tenpo kama.
loje
suno li weka a
pini mute li lon
waso wan li tawa
lon ma pi moli lon.
ken la pali ala
li kama tan sona mi
ken la sina sona
e ike pi kama mi.
sina la mi sona ala
e lon. mi awen tan ni
taso mi pilin e lon a
jan ale li wan li mi.
pimeja
pini li kama lon ale
ike suli a li lon mi
taso mi sona
e wile mi
kule li kama sin.
jan ike - Deftones - Pink Maggit
mi awen tan sina
mi ken wawa nasa e sina a
mi nasa e sina
tan nasa mi
mi lon poka sina
mi olin e jan ni
weka ona li ike
o weka tan mi a
tan awen mi
o utala
sina utala
e ike
o pali ni!
tomo sona
la mi ken lawa
ale
o ante
anu o pini
ni li sina
o utala
sina wile e ona
taso sina
wile ala
tomo sona
la mi ken lawa
ale
o ante a
anu o pini
ni li sina
o ante
anu o pini
ni li sina
o utala
sina utala
e ike
o pali ni!
tomo sona
la mi ken lawa
e ale
sina
sina
sina a
sina a
sina a
sina jan
taso
kon moli - Joy Division - Dead Souls
o weka e wile mi
pi kama ijo mi
pilin mi li mute a
mi sona ala e lon a
ona li toki
li awen toki
li toki mi
ona li toki
suli pini a li lon
kalama ike li lon
wile ona la mi lon nasin
ona li weka ale mi
ona li toki
li awen toki
li toki mi
ona li toki
toki mi
toki mi
toki mi
toki mi
ona li toki
li awen toki
li toki mi
ona li toki
o weka e mi - Deftones - Be Quiet and Drive (Far Away)
ma ni li ike
mi o weka mute
a!
mi ona e sina
o weka e mi
tan ni
tan ni
tan ni
sina a lon poka mi
o weka e mi tan
tan ni
tan ni
tan ni a!
weka!
tan ni
lon li suli ala!
tan ni
lon li suli ala!
tan ni
lon li suli ala!
tan ni
suli ala!
weka!
tan ni
lon li suli ala!
tan ni
lon li suli ala!
tan ni
lon li suli ala!
tan ni
suli ala!
kama ante - Deftones - Change
mi lukin e
kama ante sina
mi lukin ante
tan seli sina
kama ante li lon sina
sina waso ala a
sina pilin pona a
sina kama ante
mi tawa e sina
li pana lon lipu
li weka e waso sina
li kalama
kama ante li lon sina
sina waso ala a
sina pilin pona a
sina kama ante
sina waso ala a
mi lukin sitelen
li lukin ante
li pana ilo
o weka e mi
kama ante li lon sina
sina waso ala a
sina pilin pona a
sina kama ante
sina pilin pona
pilin pona
pilin pona
sina kama ante
sina waso ala a
sina ante
sina ante
sina ante
sina ante
jan mute pi nasin sewi - Three Monks
(Originally in Old Irish, toki pona translation based off the English translation)
jan mute pi nasin sewi li weka tan jan.
ona li tawa ma weka tan pona sewi.
jan li toki ala lon sike suno.
jan li toki e ni tawa jan ante: "mi pona".
jan li toki ala lon sike suno.
jan ante li toki e ni: "mi pona a".
jan li toki ala lon sike suno.
jan ante li toki e ni: "sina awen toki la mi weka tan sina la sina taso li ken weka".
jan pi pona mute - R.E.M. - Shiny Happy People
jan pi pona mute musi
o kama lon jan, jan a, jan a
o pana olin, olin, olin
o tawa lon ma, pona, pona
o pana lon ma pi kama kili
mani li wawa
jan pi pona mute li luka
jan pi pona mute li luka
jan pi pona mute musi
jan la o olin, o olin
o kama luka, kama, kama
ike o ala, pona, pona
o pana pilin pi pona kama
mani li wawa
jan pi pona mute li luka
jan pi pona mute li luka
jan pi pona mute musi
a, musi sin
jan pi pona mute li luka
jan pi pona mute li luka
jan pi pona mute musi
jan pi pona mute li luka
jan a, jan pona a
jan a
https://dublin.ng.netsoc.ie/tokipona.html
#TokiPona #janTolin #toki_musi #anno2019 (estimation)
MONDAY, MARCH 19, 2007
Toki pona
Among weird conlangs I've found, I think Toki pona is an interesting one. It is a minimal language. Like a pidgin, it focuses on simple concepts and elements that are relatively universal among cultures. Toki pona aims to express maximal meaning with minimal complexity. The language has 14 phonemes and only 118 words. It is not designed as an international auxiliary language but is instead inspired by Taoist philosophy.
The 118 offical Toki pona words are: a, akesi, ala, ale (ali), anpa, ante, anu, awen, e, en ijo, ike, ilo, insa, jaki, jan, jelo, jo, kala, kalama, kama, kasi, ken, kepeken, kili, kin, kiwen, ko, kon, kule, kute, kulupu, la, lape, laso, lawa, len, lete, li, lili, linja, lipu, loje, lon, luka, lukin, lupa, ma, mama, mani, meli, mi, mije, moku, moli, monsi, mu, mun, musi, mute, nanpa, nasa, nasin, nena, ni, nimi, noka, o, oko, olin, ona, open, pakala, pali, palisa, pana, pi, pilin, pimeja, pini, pipi, poka, poki, pona, sama, seli, selo, seme, sewi, sijelo, sike, sin, sina, sinpin, sitelen, sona, soweli, suli, suno, supa, suwi, tan, taso, tawa, telo, tenpo, toki, tomo, tu, unpa, uta, utala, walo, wan, waso, wawa, weka, wile.
These words were based on words from English, Tok Pisin, Finnish, Georgian, Dutch, Acadian French, Esperanto, Croatian, Mandarin Chinese, and Cantonese. To see the origines, read here.
You'd be surprised to see how many things can be said with only those words. If you see the official list, each word has several meanings. For example, moli can mean death, to die, to be dead, to kill or even fatal. The precise meaning has to be taken from the context. But even with this polysemy, it is hard to have much things to say. Toki pona solves this with the use of "compund" words. For example, jan means person, and lili means small, little, young. If you combine them, you have jan lili, meaning child.
Toki pona only accepts capitalizing if the word is not in that list. Not even at the begining of a sentence.
There are no propper nouns. Toki pona has propper adjectives. This can be something difficult to understand at first. For example, Norway is a propper noun in English. To talk about that country in Toki pona, you need a noun and a propper adjective. The noun is ma, which means country, and the adjective is Nosiki (capitalized, because it is a word not included in the list. It is adapted to the Toki pona sound system). Then Norway is ma Nosiki (the adjective follows the noun).
This isn't an auxiliary language. And you won't find many speakers around. Then... why bother?! I am not sure. It has an interesting idea.
If you are curious, abut Toki pona, check a short course.
POSTED BY SAYQEEH
lipu pona
by jan Wisin
[...]
This is a distilled overview of the language Toki Pona.
Major concepts of the language are introduced by saying as much as possible with as little as possible.
That is to say, some details are only mentioned or explained by their mere appearance in example sentences. Look carefully!
This guide is intended to be a small and organized view into a minimal language. It covers all of the grammar. Toki Pona is not a precise language, as its 120 words do not give you much precision. It cannot be used to communicate exact details like numbers easily. It is very useful, however, for getting a message down to the core of what it is and what is wanted out of other people.
Toki Pona is easier to learn than it has any right to be.
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