Ah. “More urgency” that’s what we were missing in dealing with migration to the EU. More panic. More paranoia. Good.

Thank God we have Sunak & Meloni to bring us innovative ideas like “tougher measures” to stop migration. Why hadn’t we thought of that?

Groundbreaking. #r4today

The truth is you can ramp up the extremist rhetoric against refugees as far as you like.

Smugglers don’t cause migration.
Hope does.

Migration is life. It will happen anyway. It is happening anyway, even with these clowns & their deadly “tough measures” in power. #r4today

@zleap @zoejardiniere I'm sorry but this is a bad take in my opinion (the original toot, that is) and is conflating the ideas of literal human trafficking (e.g. smugglers) with legitimate migration.

Additionally, I would argue that people should have at least some small amount of say in who they want in their neighborhoods, particularly if the migrants are culturally dramatically different than themselves.

While empathy is a good thing in general, too much empathy without regards to real world complications of mixing people from different cultural and religious backgrounds can cause disastrous consequences if not managed appropriately, and by ignoring these problems by saying "it will happen anyway, so why try to stop it" is ridiculous.

That same line of reasoning wasn't apply to covid, nor teen-pregnancy, nor AIDS, or so many societal ills, and yet for migration, something that can literally change the economy, election preferences, voting patterns, culture, etc. of a region/country over the span of 50-100 years, and we are suppose to uncritically accept it and "just let it happen"?

Again, I'm not saying migration is *necessarily* bad, but it's not *necessarily* good either. Suffering, persecution, poverty etc. needs to be alleviated, but migration alone cannot solve this problem; here's a good talk on this from the perspective of poverty: youtube.com/watch?v=KCcFNL7Emw

Follow

@zleap @zoejardiniere

I agree to an extent; however, it is also possible to create those skills locally by subsidizing training, or through other government programs aside from simply extracting wealth (in the form of trained individuals which their new country has incurred no cost in supporting or training) from impoverished nations (and subsequently putting the workers that are benefiting the new country at low cost through the mill to get citizenship/residency status, which is ridiculous).

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the migrants are wrong for wanting better living/working conditions (I'm considering immigrating to Europe for a tenure track job after I finish my PhD if possible for my wife's sake) but I'm also of the mind that bulk migration isn't necessarily the way to go.

I'm of the mind that hybrid approaches that are win-win for the migrant, the new country, and the old country would be ideal. Constructing such a solution may not be possible in all circumstances, but I think it should be something we strive for (e.g. you can come work here for higher wages and better quality of life, but you need to mentor more doctors that come here on study visas, and we'll compensate your local area for supporting you while you were being trained, etc. etc. etc.).

Long story short, I want to try to do this in the most effective, efficient, and non-zero-sum way possible, and I think our current policies leave a LOT to be desired because there is so little thought that goes into them other than "how many".

Sign in to participate in the conversation
Qoto Mastodon

QOTO: Question Others to Teach Ourselves
An inclusive, Academic Freedom, instance
All cultures welcome.
Hate speech and harassment strictly forbidden.