@Moon
A lot of people on the "dark fedi" side stay because even though it isn't as fun, fedi stills offers them something to say. Unlike mastodon which offers you nothing at all to spend your time, not even talk and top of that it attacks you over the most petty and silly things.

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@tomey @McMongoose @Moon A lot of these people are really going to have to make a decision at this point: Accept free speech and block/mute people yourself like an adult, or be forced to eat your vegetable in the SJW Internet or be stuck on big tech forever

@coolboymew

Seems most of the fediverse have dug their feet in on that already. Sadly the freespeech instances have done everything in their power to convince people not to adopt that side of the fence.

@McMongoose @Moon @tomey

@freemo @coolboymew @McMongoose @tomey I am not responsible for idiots being against free speech, a historically illiterate position.

@Moon

Ideas like fault is pointless. Its not about who is to blame and who is to not.

The fact of the matter is the freespeech section of the fediverse has went out of their way to attack and abuse people who federate with them to the point that it is very hard to take a freespeech stance and still be appealing to most people.

@McMongoose @coolboymew @tomey

@freemo @Moon @McMongoose @tomey "Please save us daddy big tech, we're 30 years old babies who can't think for ourselves and will absolutely take a position that will forsake us all to hell because bad words or something"

@coolboymew

Its not about that... users can do the blocking themselves (and for now thats how we do it)... but it becomes a full time job for most of our users blocking instances on their own that, without doing so, means the system is barely usable.

@McMongoose @Moon @tomey

@freemo I have to disagree with you there. It takes very little time and effort to curate your own TL. I interact a lot with free speech instances and I don't get all that many racist or sexist posts. Certainly not enough to make curating my TL a full-time job. On most occasions I don't even care to block or mute because I know I won't be seeing those accounts again.

If you're referring to people like the sandwich guy, he was a very special case, fortunately.

@coolboymew @McMongoose @Moon @tomey

@josemanuel

Yup, many of our users would agree with you, partly because our server policies would attract people who feel the way you do. That said many have had the opposite opinion as you.. its a mixed bag. I think it largely depends on your opinions and ideology, yours are probably less of a target than others.

@coolboymew @McMongoose @Moon @tomey

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@freemo In any case, I think your general point (that free speech instances are frowned upon due to certain people being edgy) was true in the past, but not so much today. I believe those who came in the Twitter migrations wanted a place where they could feel relaxed and be themselves, and instead got a place full of ultrasensitive vigilantes.

I think the tables have turned and free speech has become popular again (a necessity, even), because a lot of people feel constrained by all those “unwritten rules” mentioned in the article @Moon linked to.

@coolboymew @McMongoose @tomey

@josemanuel @freemo @coolboymew @McMongoose @tomey even they still want rules but they don't want to be ruled by just actual nuts.

@josemanuel

Im not sure if i agree on the resurgence of free speech.. but otherwise I agree. the Fediverse was ultra-sensative... some people who wanted more relaxed moderation moved in, they got attacked and "cancelled".. this in turn cause them to lash out by trolling, viscious cycle continues.

@Moon @coolboymew @McMongoose @tomey

@josemanuel @freemo @Moon @McMongoose @tomey Very good post

There's a big issue of an endless cycle of big tech abuse because people don't jump in because of the "bad free speech" which then would make that the tables never actually turns, which why I'm rather critical on the thing
@coolboymew @McMongoose @freemo @josemanuel @Moon @tomey It's not even just because of that, it's also shit like "all my friends use this" or "I don't want to make an account on this site" or "I don't want to download this app". Even if they have other reasons (see Mumble simply not supporting as many features as Skype did), they cannot articulate it.
@PurpleCat @McMongoose @freemo @josemanuel @Moon @tomey that's an whole other issue and one I've had issue for ages. Before Discord, it was hell to get people to stay on an IRC channel, christ
@coolboymew @McMongoose @freemo @josemanuel @Moon @tomey It wasn't if you had a chatbox on your website. That was the big thing before DIscord servers, you'd get an endless stream of summer posters.
@coolboymew @McMongoose @freemo @josemanuel @Moon @tomey So in the good old days of Java and later Mibbit (which got replaced by some other web chat thing due to Mibbit being a literal proxy and klined from 109 IRC networks at least), every single website tied their chatbox to an IRC chat.

I used to be a notorious shitposter in some IRC circles years ago haha.
@PurpleCat @McMongoose @freemo @josemanuel @Moon @tomey yeah, back in the days I tried have easy webchat links, easy guides to connect, etc. but man, maaaaaan, getting people to stay was hell

What we need is a shift from from big tech and have people to be encouraged to explore the web again. Have a big web again with cool personal websites again, etc
@josemanuel @freemo @Moon @coolboymew @McMongoose @tomey When people join "free speech" websites in 2023, there's a very darn good reason they would IMO.

The be yourself social media culture (or at least the impression of it as Tumblr was giving off despite being a facade) has given way to neopuritanism, which is being fought with other forms of it. A website protesting bad internet laws was saying that they should be blocked for the very same thing the other side wanted to pass those bills for. Not any other reason, but literally that.

The fedi thrives in spite of this blocklisting, not because of it, just because Twitter is so much worse unless you're a firstname lastname boring NPC who is trying to get those like/retweet numbuhs up.
@josemanuel @McMongoose @Moon @coolboymew @freemo @tomey It's also no longer just over speech or political speech.

It's now over shit like what art is allowed to be posted online. This can be seen online, with shit like the Zamii070 situation (artist harassed for drawing characters wrong) giving way to the endless DNI posting, faux morals/puritanism over NSFW art, and arguments that boil down to a mix of "stop drawing what I don't like" and "drawings have rights".

This, this is why Japanese fedi instances are booming, and why some instances like varis are so militant about going after those who they see as bullying another JP artist into wiping his gallery and going dark, which keeps happening on Twitter. No seriously, it seems like Twitter has unreal amounts of drama in the art sphere.
why create stuff when you can just destroy someone who creates stuff
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