> the best part is you can just see the feminist studies diversity hire woman they hired to write this script
> "make sure you include the core values"
> "yes xir"
I hate the pronouns including the usage of "They" it's painful to say and write, but i recognize the pain from misgendering of people with gender dysphoria
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
@numberonedonaldtrumpfan @JSDorn @borzoi @cosmo
> some of you care way too much tbh fam
it's not too much care.. it's basic human decency to recognize gender dysphoria
>enabling the mentally ill to mutilate their body
>majority regret it and kill themselves
Very compassionate bro.
How about you stop being a fag, a shill, and enabler for the medical industry that promotes and profits enormously from this antisocial and destructive shit.
@Elfman @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @JSDorn
Feel free to propose a better solution until then this is the best we can do.
Anti-psychotics, going to the gym, and finding Jesus are all better solutions to gender dysphoria than permanent self-mutilation and legally enforced gaslighting.
If you started hanging rapists and stopped immigration maybe women wouldn't feel the need to cut their boobs off to avoid being a target. Making porn illegal would do more for the entire populations mental health than any amount of gender affirmation and subsidised implants.
I think you entirely misread my initial post.
Pro trans position on addressing dysphoria:
> People should be on hormonal medications permanently with horrific consequences for hormonal systems, bone density, etc
> People should be surgically castrated
> People should be surgically mutilated
> The rest of society should pretend that these people are the gender they cosplay as (gaslight everybody into compliance - "trans women are real women" is literally not true)
Anti trans position on addressing dysphoria:
> Try exercise, anti-psychotic medication, therapy or personal growth into faith
> Nobody should have to participate in your delusion
I hope that clears things up.
@TinyFern @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Elfman @JSDorn
> People should be on hormonal medications permanently with horrific consequences for hormonal systems, bone density, etc
Do you have any credible research on that?
> People should be surgically castrated
> People should be surgically mutilated
yes that's the current treatment for gender dysphoria
> The rest of society should pretend that these people are the gender they cosplay as (gaslight everybody into compliance - "trans women are real women" is literally not true)
Using an uncomfortable pronoun to people with gender dysphoria inflicts a mental pain on them.. I am not aware of any alternative solution to that and personally i don't mind using the pronoun on which they look i just really hate `they/them` and `xe/xhe` and shit alike.
> Try exercise
i am not against that as i am not aware of a case where exercise wouldn't have a positive effect on the overall health.
> anti-psychotic medication, therapy or personal growth into faith
Agree that this feels unethical
> Nobody should have to participate in your delusion
i agree that none should be forced into a certain behavior what i argue for is for them to understand why is that expected from them so that they can make an informed decision.
Adverse effects on bone mineralization and compromised fertility are potential risks of pubertal suppression in gender dysphoric youth treated with GnRH agonists.[11][14] Additionally, genital tissue in transgender women may not be optimal for potential vaginoplasty later in life due to underdevelopment of the penis.[15]
Research on the long term effects on brain development is limited.[16][17]
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty_blocker
Cross sex hormones on MTF produce heart problems, liver problems, gallstones, kidney problems, upper GI bleeding, often irreversible fertility problems.
journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0004563215587763
Cross sex hormones on FTM produce cysts that mimic Poly Cystic Ovarian Syndrome, deformed clit, increase in stroke risk, liver dysfunction, uterus atrophy requiring a hysterectomy (recommended that all FTM get a hysterectomy after two years of hormones because it's so common, which is permanent infertility, irreversible)
@TinyFern @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Elfman @JSDorn
I read the references and flagged the provided article as "missing informations" as the references provided e.g. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075 dependent party that fails to establish credibility and methods to verify their claims.
The research that you linked (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0004563215587763) concludes:
> Cross-sex hormone therapy is integral to the treatment of the majority of people with gender dysphoria and is effective in inducing the secondary sexual characteristics of the person’s desired gender. Cross-gender sex steroid replacement can be associated with side-effects, for transwomen thromboembolism and for transmen an adverse lipid profile but provide psychological benefit to the individual being treated. With careful monitoring and the use of sex steroid preparations with more physiological properties, these therapies appear to be safe in the longer term.
and from reading the rest of the references i can't in clear mind conclude that the provided treatment is harmful or safe in a long run due to the lack of information.
The anorexia example demonstrates that there are no principles involved in your thinking and therefore no ethics.
I want you to consider why we'd allow a 16 year old to start taking testosterone when she can't even legally drive, drink or get a tattoo by that age, and after two years of testosterone she will need a hysterectomy because her uterus will have atrophied away. I want you to think about the fact that endorsement of trans affirming surgery is encouraging mentally ill people to permanently castrate themselves. You're taking advantage of the vulnerable by allowing them to destroy themselves in the name of political correctness.
@TinyFern @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Elfman @JSDorn
I feel that the political situation surrounding anorexia is sufficiently represented to provide points of view from all relevant sides so i don't see it as something that i should be politically interested in as i don't feel like i have anything to contribute in the subject.
I don't disagree with not proceeding with reconstructing surgery and/or engaging in hormonal therapy for minors and in some cases up to the 24 years of age, but i also don't find it ethical to make it illegal in case the doctor that is handling the case deems that it's required to proceed due to the severe case of the illness.
@TinyFern @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Elfman @JSDorn
pretty much what i contributed so far where i find it important to recognize what gender dysphoria is that anyone can get it anytime and it's increased risk of suicide as a result
Where i don't believe that anti-depressants are a solution as from available info they can make it worse over the time
hormonal therapy i agree that it should not be used for minors unless they suffer from a severe cause of gender dysphoria in which it should be the doctor's decision to make the recommendation to their guardian and to the patient themselves to decide.
And that the ethicacy of reconstructive surgery is not known for a long-term. but it's currently the only way of treating gender dysphoria that i know of
That doesn't contribute anything, you're just parroting LGBT propaganda. You have nothing of depth to add to a discussion because you don't understand your points well enough to argue for them. Silence on the topic is more useful than what you have said thus far.
> My view is based on science
Science says:
- this trans stuff has come out of nowhere and has all the hallmarks of a mass hysteria/delusion, such as being socially transmissible
- we don't treat any other mental illness this way
- cross sex hormones have significant and irreversible side effects
- long term outcomes are largely unknown
- most trannies will never pass for cis
- it is unethical to lie to patients
I don't really see how The Science justifies your position. The fact is that the scientific community has been hijacked by activists in the last few decades who have made trans affirmation the default response despite it violating everything we actually scientifically know about transgenderism.
@TinyFern @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Elfman @JSDorn
I don't dispute that it can be caused by a mass hysteria/delusion pretty sure that it applies to everything at this point.
i don't dispute the side effects of sex hormones, but i am not aware of it not being managable in terms of the risk to benefit
Agree that lieing to a patient is unethical and enforcable through revoking the doctor's license for violating the hypocratic oath.
Anti-psychotics are a temporary treatment and normally only needed at a very low dose for less then a year and the feelings go away
The Medical surgery literally will require a lifetime of drugs and follow-up surgeries as well as needing to dilate on a daily basis.
How to tell someone you are a supercilious midwit without saying you are a supercilious midwit.
At least look into the specific drugs used for treatment faggot
And while we are on the long term effects, there are long term effects of HRT which are worse retard. Not to mention the need to permanently have a wound that won't heal
thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)62458-2/fulltext#:~:text=Hormone%20therapy%3A%20short-term%20relief%2C%20long-term%20consequences.%20The%20decline,bone%20loss%2C%20risk%20of%20fractures%2C%20and%20cardiovascular%20disease.
nps.org.au/australian-prescriber/articles/long-term-hormone-replacement-therapy
drugs.com/estradiol.html#:~:text=Common%20estradiol%20side%20effects%20may%20include%3A%20nausea%2C%20vomiting%2C,pain%3B%20darkening%20of%20the%20skin%20or%20skin%20rash%3B
Eris posts lolicon?
I posted a siege meme once that has 2 lolis
Not every image of a little anime girl is lolicon. It has to be sexual for it to qualify. I purity spiral pretty hard on the LQ but even if I have limits on this.
A siege meme with sex acts? And we’re talking like children, right?
>it's a bot derails the thread episode
They're killing themselves.
@lichelordgodfrey i am not saying that it's the optimal solution and agree that we need more research on the subject
The point i am making here is that people with severe gender dysphoria usually killed themselves as the mental pain got unberable.. with introduction of reconstructive surgery those got significantly decreased.
You are lying.
Do you even know of the grooming of kids, teens, and young adults on the internet, in schools/colleges, into becoming trans? They were not trannies previously but their self-identity was in question as they were developing, and they were taken advantage of.
You are pushing a medically/governmentally/internationally-backed death cult, and it's not even a cool one like in fiction, it's fucking stupid.
Fuck you and your studies.
Tell me with a strong wrist that chopping tits, dicks/balls, bombarding people with hormonal therapy they do not need, is somehow ethical and moral.
Tell me how this is any different from "body integrity disorder" where the mentally impaired person believes very strongly they'd be better off without a limb?
There is no difference other than the massive medical, and frankly jewish, complex pushing this.
Whether you are a fed or some other kind of agent, an activist, or some really idiotic and indoctrinated person, you are pushing evil far worse than the dumbest quackeries we've seen the past two thousand years - with the exception of this exact thing occurring in Weimar Germany.
I hope you meet your end before you were meant to.
There is no universe where "chop off your dick, it will make you feel better" is anything other than insane and malicious advice.
What are the long term effects of chopping your cock off and forcing every single co-worker you have to pretend that you are a woman at all times lest they get popped out of existence like they're in a twilight zone sketch?
> My politics are not oriented around forcing people to do things i am more interested in enabling ppl to make an informed decisions.
So you don't want to make anybody call a tranny by their preferred gender pronouns?
Cool
This also doesn't negate the point: You're whining about the long lasting effects of anti-psychotics as compared to PERMANENTLY CHOPPING YOUR COCK OFF
If you're going to shill at least try to think of arguments that make sense.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4822482/
Most likely causes of death are either complications from the surgery or suicide.
that does not sound like worse than hypothesised shorter life expectancy from a 1 or 2 year course of anti-psychotics
Ah so there's no long term research so I guess we just give it to everybody and their dog and see what happens...
Wait, no, that's insane.
There's no long term research on liposuction for anorexics either, are you in favour of that?