> the best part is you can just see the feminist studies diversity hire woman they hired to write this script
> "make sure you include the core values"
> "yes xir"
I hate the pronouns including the usage of "They" it's painful to say and write, but i recognize the pain from misgendering of people with gender dysphoria
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
@numberonedonaldtrumpfan @JSDorn @borzoi @cosmo
> some of you care way too much tbh fam
it's not too much care.. it's basic human decency to recognize gender dysphoria
>enabling the mentally ill to mutilate their body
>majority regret it and kill themselves
Very compassionate bro.
How about you stop being a fag, a shill, and enabler for the medical industry that promotes and profits enormously from this antisocial and destructive shit.
@Elfman @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @JSDorn
Feel free to propose a better solution until then this is the best we can do.
Anti-psychotics, going to the gym, and finding Jesus are all better solutions to gender dysphoria than permanent self-mutilation and legally enforced gaslighting.
If you started hanging rapists and stopped immigration maybe women wouldn't feel the need to cut their boobs off to avoid being a target. Making porn illegal would do more for the entire populations mental health than any amount of gender affirmation and subsidised implants.
I think you entirely misread my initial post.
Pro trans position on addressing dysphoria:
> People should be on hormonal medications permanently with horrific consequences for hormonal systems, bone density, etc
> People should be surgically castrated
> People should be surgically mutilated
> The rest of society should pretend that these people are the gender they cosplay as (gaslight everybody into compliance - "trans women are real women" is literally not true)
Anti trans position on addressing dysphoria:
> Try exercise, anti-psychotic medication, therapy or personal growth into faith
> Nobody should have to participate in your delusion
I hope that clears things up.
@TinyFern @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Elfman @JSDorn
> People should be on hormonal medications permanently with horrific consequences for hormonal systems, bone density, etc
Do you have any credible research on that?
> People should be surgically castrated
> People should be surgically mutilated
yes that's the current treatment for gender dysphoria
> The rest of society should pretend that these people are the gender they cosplay as (gaslight everybody into compliance - "trans women are real women" is literally not true)
Using an uncomfortable pronoun to people with gender dysphoria inflicts a mental pain on them.. I am not aware of any alternative solution to that and personally i don't mind using the pronoun on which they look i just really hate `they/them` and `xe/xhe` and shit alike.
> Try exercise
i am not against that as i am not aware of a case where exercise wouldn't have a positive effect on the overall health.
> anti-psychotic medication, therapy or personal growth into faith
Agree that this feels unethical
> Nobody should have to participate in your delusion
i agree that none should be forced into a certain behavior what i argue for is for them to understand why is that expected from them so that they can make an informed decision.
You know the pro trans stuff is entirely propaganda because nobody wants to treat other mental illnesses that way.
Oh this person is suicidal, I guess they just ~identify as a dead person~ and we need to help them transition lol.
Oh this person is anorexic, we need to ~respect their view of themselves as a fat person~ and help them lose weight through liposuction until they're at their ideal body shape (i.e. starved to death)
Oh this person has Munchausen syndrome, we should treat all their imagined illnesses because we can't possibly contradict their ~profound understanding of themselves~ so I guess we give them chemo and antibiotics until they die of complications.
It's not about respecting trans people, it's about gaslighting you until you agree that objective reality is less important than their feelings.
@TinyFern @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Elfman @JSDorn
Why is it unethical to continue with the current treatment for gender dysphoria by giving the affected people the option of a reconstructive surgery if it enables them to have a close to normal life instead of being locked up in a mental hospital?
> Oh this person is anorexic, we need to ~respect their view of themselves as a fat person~ and help them lose weight through liposuction until they're at their ideal body shape (i.e. starved to death)
I don't have a political opinion on that subject and i highly doubt that any licensed surgeon would proceed with liposuction on a malnurished patient (hypocratic oath).
> Oh this person has Munchausen syndrome, we should treat all their imagined illnesses because we can't possibly contradict their ~profound understanding of themselves~ so I guess we give them chemo and antibiotics until they die of complications.
I am not against giving Munchausen patient sugar pills and making them feel like we are curing the disease that they are convinced that they do e.g. instead of chemo giving them a ringer with laxative and things to make them feel bad or even other medication so that they temporarely lose hair and feel like they are going through a chemo on an imaginary cancer.
Like why would i be against it? It seems to have a major positive impact on their mental health that enables them to manage it..
> It's not about respecting trans people, it's about gaslighting you until you agree that objective reality is less important than their feelings.
Like if a patient with a mental disorder prefers to live in their own bubble with a distorted reality to manage their disease than why should I not support it assuming that it has a positive effect on their mental health.
So you ignore the suicidal and anorexic examples because they're too hard
And you're happy for people with Munchausen syndrome to spend their whole lives pretending to be sick instead of ever getting therapy to treat their mental illness.
And you think it's better to permanently mutilate trans people because then they don't have to live in a mental hospital - because that way, they can live in the 'real world' which you yourself describe as a bubble of distorted reality. Why is that better than temporary accommodation in a padded room and an actual attempt to cure the mental illness?
Mental illness is not treated by enabling it. Www SZSs
May the Lord bind your tongue until you realise the evil you speak. Repent of this madness.
@Crux_Invictus @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Elfman @JSDorn @TinyFern
> Why is it unethical? Because a man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man. You take someone who could be saved and damn them to a lifetime as an abomination.
I don't find it ethical to force such medical procedure on someone what i am doing is to provide my point of view and informations i know about it for the invidual in question to make an informed decision. If you have info that you think that they should know about then consider contributing that to a wikipedia.
@Crux_Invictus @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Elfman @JSDorn @TinyFern
My view is that we lack the required technological and medical knowledge to make a full gender transition, but i also don't find it ethical not use the preferred gender of the relevant transwoman/man
It is monstrously cruel to entertain these delusions. Putting feathers on a dog does not make it a bird.
@Crux_Invictus @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Elfman @JSDorn @TinyFern
you can quite easily change the form of a clay after it was shaped and dried to pretty much indefinetly as long as it's hydrated enough.
It gets complicated when you apply a glaze on it as that then has to be broken off in other to shape the clay..
@Crux_Invictus @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Elfman @JSDorn @TinyFern
it's not forcibly remaking it.. the wet clay binds to each other so it's just utilizing the available resources and forming it to do the desired workload.
@Crux_Invictus @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Elfman @JSDorn @TinyFern
If it's just clay without additives that is not glazed then yes without major problems as long as it's allowed to hydrate in a water for few hours.. The clay then turns into a play-doh like consistency and can be shaped again.
@Tripp @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Crux_Invictus @Elfman @JSDorn @TinyFern
Clay by itself doesn't turn into a solid when you put it into a kilm.. they have to add additives for it to have glass translation temperature instead of turning into a crumbly dirt.
@Tripp @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Crux_Invictus @Elfman @JSDorn @TinyFern
lol did you even tried that?
I utilize this with making CAD designs by using clay and then constraining the shape using a hot air station to design ergonomic designs.
I agree that this is not possible with clay that has additives.
Adverse effects on bone mineralization and compromised fertility are potential risks of pubertal suppression in gender dysphoric youth treated with GnRH agonists.[11][14] Additionally, genital tissue in transgender women may not be optimal for potential vaginoplasty later in life due to underdevelopment of the penis.[15]
Research on the long term effects on brain development is limited.[16][17]
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty_blocker
Cross sex hormones on MTF produce heart problems, liver problems, gallstones, kidney problems, upper GI bleeding, often irreversible fertility problems.
journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0004563215587763
Cross sex hormones on FTM produce cysts that mimic Poly Cystic Ovarian Syndrome, deformed clit, increase in stroke risk, liver dysfunction, uterus atrophy requiring a hysterectomy (recommended that all FTM get a hysterectomy after two years of hormones because it's so common, which is permanent infertility, irreversible)
@TinyFern @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Elfman @JSDorn
I read the references and flagged the provided article as "missing informations" as the references provided e.g. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075 dependent party that fails to establish credibility and methods to verify their claims.
The research that you linked (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0004563215587763) concludes:
> Cross-sex hormone therapy is integral to the treatment of the majority of people with gender dysphoria and is effective in inducing the secondary sexual characteristics of the person’s desired gender. Cross-gender sex steroid replacement can be associated with side-effects, for transwomen thromboembolism and for transmen an adverse lipid profile but provide psychological benefit to the individual being treated. With careful monitoring and the use of sex steroid preparations with more physiological properties, these therapies appear to be safe in the longer term.
and from reading the rest of the references i can't in clear mind conclude that the provided treatment is harmful or safe in a long run due to the lack of information.
Ah so there's no long term research so I guess we just give it to everybody and their dog and see what happens...
Wait, no, that's insane.
There's no long term research on liposuction for anorexics either, are you in favour of that?
The anorexia example demonstrates that there are no principles involved in your thinking and therefore no ethics.
I want you to consider why we'd allow a 16 year old to start taking testosterone when she can't even legally drive, drink or get a tattoo by that age, and after two years of testosterone she will need a hysterectomy because her uterus will have atrophied away. I want you to think about the fact that endorsement of trans affirming surgery is encouraging mentally ill people to permanently castrate themselves. You're taking advantage of the vulnerable by allowing them to destroy themselves in the name of political correctness.
@TinyFern @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Elfman @JSDorn
I feel that the political situation surrounding anorexia is sufficiently represented to provide points of view from all relevant sides so i don't see it as something that i should be politically interested in as i don't feel like i have anything to contribute in the subject.
I don't disagree with not proceeding with reconstructing surgery and/or engaging in hormonal therapy for minors and in some cases up to the 24 years of age, but i also don't find it ethical to make it illegal in case the doctor that is handling the case deems that it's required to proceed due to the severe case of the illness.
@TinyFern @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Elfman @JSDorn
pretty much what i contributed so far where i find it important to recognize what gender dysphoria is that anyone can get it anytime and it's increased risk of suicide as a result
Where i don't believe that anti-depressants are a solution as from available info they can make it worse over the time
hormonal therapy i agree that it should not be used for minors unless they suffer from a severe cause of gender dysphoria in which it should be the doctor's decision to make the recommendation to their guardian and to the patient themselves to decide.
And that the ethicacy of reconstructive surgery is not known for a long-term. but it's currently the only way of treating gender dysphoria that i know of
That doesn't contribute anything, you're just parroting LGBT propaganda. You have nothing of depth to add to a discussion because you don't understand your points well enough to argue for them. Silence on the topic is more useful than what you have said thus far.
> My view is based on science
Science says:
- this trans stuff has come out of nowhere and has all the hallmarks of a mass hysteria/delusion, such as being socially transmissible
- we don't treat any other mental illness this way
- cross sex hormones have significant and irreversible side effects
- long term outcomes are largely unknown
- most trannies will never pass for cis
- it is unethical to lie to patients
I don't really see how The Science justifies your position. The fact is that the scientific community has been hijacked by activists in the last few decades who have made trans affirmation the default response despite it violating everything we actually scientifically know about transgenderism.
@TinyFern @numberonedonaldtrumpfan @borzoi @cosmo @Elfman @JSDorn
I don't dispute that it can be caused by a mass hysteria/delusion pretty sure that it applies to everything at this point.
i don't dispute the side effects of sex hormones, but i am not aware of it not being managable in terms of the risk to benefit
Agree that lieing to a patient is unethical and enforcable through revoking the doctor's license for violating the hypocratic oath.
Anti-psychotics are a temporary treatment and normally only needed at a very low dose for less then a year and the feelings go away
The Medical surgery literally will require a lifetime of drugs and follow-up surgeries as well as needing to dilate on a daily basis.
How to tell someone you are a supercilious midwit without saying you are a supercilious midwit.
At least look into the specific drugs used for treatment faggot
And while we are on the long term effects, there are long term effects of HRT which are worse retard. Not to mention the need to permanently have a wound that won't heal
thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)62458-2/fulltext#:~:text=Hormone%20therapy%3A%20short-term%20relief%2C%20long-term%20consequences.%20The%20decline,bone%20loss%2C%20risk%20of%20fractures%2C%20and%20cardiovascular%20disease.
nps.org.au/australian-prescriber/articles/long-term-hormone-replacement-therapy
drugs.com/estradiol.html#:~:text=Common%20estradiol%20side%20effects%20may%20include%3A%20nausea%2C%20vomiting%2C,pain%3B%20darkening%20of%20the%20skin%20or%20skin%20rash%3B
They're killing themselves.
What are the long term effects of chopping your cock off and forcing every single co-worker you have to pretend that you are a woman at all times lest they get popped out of existence like they're in a twilight zone sketch?
> My politics are not oriented around forcing people to do things i am more interested in enabling ppl to make an informed decisions.
So you don't want to make anybody call a tranny by their preferred gender pronouns?
Cool
Legally enforced gaslighting is being forced to stare at a stubbled creature in a woman's dress and refer to him as 'she'. I'm against it.